In a country where some members of the forum think there is no corruption compared to France...
Brexit, for once some facts.
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That's exactly what I was going to say. We get a lot more drug reps chartering yachts than doctors or nurses... Nurses can't afford it, doctors have not got time...
Jamaica isn't corrupt at side of France.Depends where you look tho. (I was joking of course but my smileys don't work)In a country where some members of the forum think there is no corruption compared to France...
Anybody who thinks France does not have quite a big corruption problem hasn't actually looked.
Everywhere has a huge corruption problem, including the UK. As I posted very recently, I spent my last 17 working years coping with it here.
It's universal human nature to look for opportunities to make money and some will always succumb to temptation.
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The argument presented by Tilson is more persuading than that a specific package of a drug cost a lot... . Anybody who has worked in a government organisation be it the armed forces, education or health will have similar stories to tell. More money and effort being expended to ensure that fraud does not occur than would be lost if it were allowed to occur on a major scale!
The repetition of work already carried out and the failure to respect the work of others in allied organisations is endemic in the medical field.
Agreed flecc but 8th in World ranking is better than 23rd...(According to Transparency International)
And like I, ve said before you can only say it as you find it. I, ve probably been fortunate in UK but not come across any type of corruption first hand. Not the case in other places I, ve had dealings with...but going over old ground. Blame kiwi.
Then you haven't been dealing with the construction industry here to any extent.
Our large companies in other industries are often involved too, both BAE and Rolls Royce aero engines have been caught out. Of course the fact is that if one wants to sell to a corrupt country it's unavoidable. When flogging fighter jets to an Arab nation, the only way to the man who can sign on the line is through "agents" who demand their slice. The man who can sign knows it but doesn't care, since it just brings more money into his country.
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Your corruption is structural. If you are born into the right family you go to the right school and get hired via the "old boys" network into lifetime employment, not on merit, but on family name/ties/old money.
When I arrived in London the tube still had ticket collectors at the exit. You soon learned that a ticket wasn't needed, just a pile of 10p coins. You slipped one into the hand of the ticket collector on the way out. In 8 months I only got caught by an honest person once and had to pay the full fare. I talked my way out of the fine...
When I arrived in London the tube still had ticket collectors at the exit. You soon learned that a ticket wasn't needed, just a pile of 10p coins. You slipped one into the hand of the ticket collector on the way out. In 8 months I only got caught by an honest person once and had to pay the full fare. I talked my way out of the fine...
Didn't realise things were that bad... Its worse than Jamaica...
Yes there's the old school tie type of corruption, but as you show with your tube example, it's at other levels too.
In the construction industry here it's in layers just like that in Arab countries. One might have to bribe at two or three levels before getting an order.
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I'm sure that achieving 8th Ranking is merely a sign that our Elite excel in covering theirr tracks, look how long it took for the offshore banking scam to get noticed, and action threatened by the EU, and their reaction?
The Villains bought Brexit by heavy investment in devious means, lies and manipulation and propaganda to protect their investments.
And it looks like they have pulled off the heist of all time too at the Public's expense
Bought and sold with Russian and offshore Gold
What a Parcel of Rogues in a Nation
Corruption is another name for human being. Human beings are generally a corrupt species who find the temptation of a dodgy deal irresistible. The urge to prosper due to the result of an underhand transaction is overwhelming for many. In your account above, you and the ticket collector are the same. Both unable to resist the temptation of swindling the ticketing system and its owners. Humanness in action. This is why I prefer animals to people, they have greater dignity.
Dignity you say, I think it's more of the case that have the following frame of mind
"Yea though I walk in the Valley of the Shadow of Death
Shall I fear no evil
And my Teeth and claws shall comfort me
'Cause i'm the meanest son of a bitch that lives there"
Pretty much the same attitude as Politicians when you think about it.
From the Sun today
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DONALD Trump has declared he will know if he can strike a deal with North Korea’s Kim Jong-un “within the first minute” of their historic meeting.
The US president flew to Singapore last night to prepare for the showdown summit over the rogue state’s nuclear weapons on Tuesday."
What a liability for the USA and in fact the rest of the World that man is.
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DONALD Trump has declared he will know if he can strike a deal with North Korea’s Kim Jong-un “within the first minute” of their historic meeting.
The US president flew to Singapore last night to prepare for the showdown summit over the rogue state’s nuclear weapons on Tuesday."
What a liability for the USA and in fact the rest of the World that man is.
Or try this (Solzhenitsyn's speech to Harvard in 1978 - still relevant today):
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/alexandersolzhenitsynharvard.htm
Dominic Cummings Blog carries his latest "Everyones to blame but me" letter
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/05/23/on-the-referendum-25-a-letter-to-tory-mps-donors-on-the-brexit-shambles/
The most pertinent observation he made was this
"In short, the state has made no preparations to leave and plans to make no preparations to leave even after leaving."
However, one should ask why this failed would be Messiah who people claim is a genius didn't have the foresight to observe the obvious, that the Politicians who would actually attempt to make his dream a reality had the same probability of success (based on their track record) as the following
Given an infinite length of time, a chimpanzee punching at random on a typewriter would almost surely type out all of Shakespeare's plays.
So far their greatest achievement is fronting the leave campaign and whingeing to avoid getting the blame now it is going badly wrong.
And now questions are being asked about how much Russian money was involved..
Assuming that it did cost Putin large sums to support the Brexit campaign , he has certainly benefited from making the EU suffer for it's Eastwards encroachments, and that fact they snubbed admitting Russia to the organisation in the past.
https://dominiccummings.com/2018/05/23/on-the-referendum-25-a-letter-to-tory-mps-donors-on-the-brexit-shambles/
The most pertinent observation he made was this
"In short, the state has made no preparations to leave and plans to make no preparations to leave even after leaving."
However, one should ask why this failed would be Messiah who people claim is a genius didn't have the foresight to observe the obvious, that the Politicians who would actually attempt to make his dream a reality had the same probability of success (based on their track record) as the following
Given an infinite length of time, a chimpanzee punching at random on a typewriter would almost surely type out all of Shakespeare's plays.
So far their greatest achievement is fronting the leave campaign and whingeing to avoid getting the blame now it is going badly wrong.
And now questions are being asked about how much Russian money was involved..
Assuming that it did cost Putin large sums to support the Brexit campaign , he has certainly benefited from making the EU suffer for it's Eastwards encroachments, and that fact they snubbed admitting Russia to the organisation in the past.
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You are in favour of not bothering with trying to come to an agreement, just decide on the spur of the moment?
On face values?
Too much is at stake for blundering fools sponsored by the NRA like Trump to be involved without huge risk to us all.
I prefer my humble opinion to that idea any day
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