Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

My Calor cylinder has a left hand thread tapered seat brass seal ?? The French ones I,ve used have all been a bayonet type ...( onto bottle) ????
I had to get an adaptor to fit onto taper ( the male bit)...then from that to screw thread for camping gas..( had I known I,d have bought converter to go straight from Calor to Camping Gas ( Coleman)

Like they say...assumption is mother of all #### ups. Thought there would be a converter on board.. Only a minor irritation I suppose..but when you want a cup of tea...

 

[anotherkiwi]

The conversion of propane gas bottles to bayonet type took place about 20 years ago here IIRC. It was kind of invisible to users because the screw on ones just went away and you got a free adaptor when you brought in old bottles for recharge at one point in time. My dates may be a bit off because I was on mains gas at the time when the change happened.

So you are correct it is an English thing sticking to old, inferior technology. Yes I have cross threaded an old fashioned brass gas bottle attachment. In the middle of the night. In the middle of winter dressed only in a towel because I was in the middle of a shower...

 

[Zlatan]

The conversion of propane gas bottles to bayonet type took place about 20 years ago here IIRC. It was kind of invisible to users because the screw on ones just went away and you got a free adaptor when you brought in old bottles for recharge at one point in time. My dates may be a bit off because I was on mains gas at the time when the change happened.

So you are correct it is an English thing sticking to old, inferior technology. Yes I have cross threaded an old fashioned brass gas bottle attachment. In the middle of the night. In the middle of winter dressed only in a towel because I was in the middle of a shower...

Yep, thread looks like its Whitworth or something....not even metric....funny old lot the Brits...Whitworth left hand thread...must be something to do with Henry 8th...his nail thickness for pitch perhaps..Did tudors have bottled gas ?

 

[Danidl]

My Calor cylinder has a left hand thread tapered seat brass seal ?? The French ones I,ve used have all been a bayonet type ...( onto bottle) ????
I had to get an adaptor to fit onto taper ( the male bit)...then from that to screw thread for camping gas..( had I known I,d have bought converter to go straight from Calor to Camping Gas ( Coleman)

Like they say...assumption is mother of all #### ups. Thought there would be a converter on board.. Only a minor irritation I suppose..but when you want a cup of tea...

The calor type, which we also use in Ireland, and I use for our domestic hob cooking has a spring loaded flange which allows ball bearings to ride over a groove and the regulator is affixed to the top. The French bottle has a tap and a screw thread of a corse thread pitch to which the regulator or additional piping can be attached. The thread is reversed compared to usual patterns and appears unique to the gas industry. From the regulator, there can be a variety of fittings including a classical bayonet fitting, as you describe, intended for some appliances which may need to be moved ... Eg gas cookers.
The French market has expanded in this area in recent years and there are different form factors , including smaller bottles, fibreglass bottles and cubes ...

 

[Danidl]

The conversion of propane gas bottles to bayonet type took place about 20 years ago here IIRC. It was kind of invisible to users because the screw on ones just went away and you got a free adaptor when you brought in old bottles for recharge at one point in time. My dates may be a bit off because I was on mains gas at the time when the change happened.

So you are correct it is an English thing sticking to old, inferior technology. Yes I have cross threaded an old fashioned brass gas bottle attachment. In the middle of the night. In the middle of winter dressed only in a towel because I was in the middle of a shower...

.. been there done that and in the rain...

 

[Zlatan]

The calor type, which we also use in Ireland, and I use for our domestic hob cooking has a spring loaded flange which allows ball bearings to ride over a groove and the regulator is affixed to the top. The French bottle has a tap and a screw thread of a corse thread pitch to which the regulator or additional piping can be attached. The thread is reversed compared to usual patterns and appears unique to the gas industry. From the regulator, there can be a variety of fittings including a classical bayonet fitting, as you describe, intended for some appliances which may need to be moved ... Eg gas cookers.
The French market has expanded in this area in recent years and there are different form factors , including smaller bottles, fibreglass bottles and cubes ...

I have a French cube catalytic gas heater..its bayonet as you describe..but my Calor is definitely a threaded insert...( I,m no gas expert but all Calors I,ve seen were this)
I used to run ski boat on Calor FLT bottles...they were screw thread...but I,m not saying Calor bayonet does not exist...just not come across any...
( eventually fitted tank in ski boat,did my back a world of good...carrying those bottles about was a pain , we could go through 4 18kg bottles in a morning !!!)

 

[Danidl]

I have a French cube catalytic gas heater..its bayonet as you describe..but my Calor is definitely a threaded insert...( I,m no gas expert but all Calors I,ve seen were this)
I used to run ski boat on Calor FLT bottles...they were screw thread...but I,m not saying Calor bayonet does not exist...just not come across any...
( eventually fitted tank in ski boat,did my back a world of good...carrying those bottles about was a pain)

My experience is with butane only.... So could be different on propane systems.

 

[Zlatan]

My experience is with butane only.... So could be different on propane systems.

I,m exactly opposite...rarely used Butane...( but I suspect we buy mixtures of both gases !)
Camping gas is sold as Butane, had it on good authority its a mix...
Butane is the better option...except for colder climes..below about 5 degrees it does not evaporate quickly enough...especially for high volume applications.( ie boat engines,which run a vapouriser, take off is liquid...vapourises in a heater warmed by engine...they will freeze on Butane in anything like cool weather)...
I believe all Auto is propane ??? But who knows ?

 

[Woosh]

from the BBC:

Ministers signed off on the "backstop" that would see the UK match EU tariffs after 2020, if there is no deal on their preferred customs arrangements.

So we'd get to keep the duty.

That's good, isn't it?

 

[oldgroaner]

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from the BBC:

Ministers signed off on the "backstop" that would see the UK match EU tariffs after 2020, if there is no deal on their preferred customs arrangements.

So we'd get to keep the duty.

That's good, isn't it?

Haven't a clue what the implications are.


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[KTM Bike Industries UK]

from the BBC:

Ministers signed off on the "backstop" that would see the UK match EU tariffs after 2020, if there is no deal on their preferred customs arrangements.

So we'd get to keep the duty.

That's good, isn't it?

In the sense that it makes another of the supposed points of Brexit pointless, and therefore more likely and easier for us to just roll back in again at some point in the transition period, that's clearly going to be transitioning back into the EU, not out of it

 

[Woosh]

In the sense that it makes another of the supposed points of Brexit pointless, and therefore more likely and easier for us to just roll back in again at some point in the transition period, that's clearly going to be transitioning back into the EU, not out of it

it's only a backstop position to solve the NI border issue.
We should get a deal sorted by December 2020 and I reckon it will be a soft brexit.
If not, EURef2 would be called for.

 

[flecc]

I believe all Auto is propane ??? But who knows ?

For auto it's LPG, which normally means any mix of propane and butane depending on country and other factors.

In Australia though, LPG is always propane.
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[Danidl]

I,m exactly opposite...rarely used Butane...( but I suspect we buy mixtures of both gases !)
Camping gas is sold as Butane, had it on good authority its a mix...
Butane is the better option...except for colder climes..below about 5 degrees it does not evaporate quickly enough...especially for high volume applications.( ie boat engines,which run a vapouriser, take off is liquid...vapourises in a heater warmed by engine...they will freeze on Butane in anything like cool weather)...
I believe all Auto is propane ??? But who knows ?

A number of years ago, I was visiting my house in france where the temperature internally was -5 centigrade,
Probably -10 outside. . It rarely snows , but it can get pretty cold in the west ,. I had not got to the stage of putting the gas cylinder outside, and the only heating in the house was the gas cooker, and up to 6 kw of electrical power.... The lowest tarriff. So I was frantically swishing the gas cylinder in an attempt to make enough vapour pressure to even get a small glimmer from the cooker for heating.. and toying with the idea of putting the cylinder on the hot plate, to speed up the process.... Even swishing the tank, was reducing the temperature of the liquid butane.. eventually the room heated enough...

 

[Zlatan]

A number of years ago, I was visiting my house in france where the temperature internally was -5 centigrade,
Probably -10 outside. . It rarely snows , but it can get pretty cold in the west ,. I had not got to the stage of putting the gas cylinder outside, and the only heating in the house was the gas cooker, and up to 6 kw of electrical power.... The lowest tarriff. So I was frantically swishing the gas cylinder in an attempt to make enough vapour pressure to even get a small glimmer from the cooker for heating.. and toying with the idea of putting the cylinder on the hot plate, to speed up the process.... Even swishing the tank, was reducing the temperature of the liquid butane.. eventually the room heated enough...

That's the only downside for Butane...think in most other respects its looked on as preferable ?
But we regularly used to get FLT tanks freeze lines up on ski boat...in theory it was " propane" but I could never figure why some tanks worked perfect , whilst other would freeze lines solid...I wondered if the miscrient ones had more butane??? ( Auto lpg as flecc pointed out can be a mixture but I,d have thought with advent of wet injection systems the ecu would need to know wether Butane or Propane ??? ( as liquids they have different qualities...as gases much more alike)
I thought Auto LPG in Uk must be at least 60% propane...but there seems little regulation..We could feel difference in performance sometimes between different FLT bottles ( perhaps faulty ones) but once on tanks...no difference between fill ups.( well down on petrol though and used roughly a third more)
But to put it in perspective...we were paying 4.3 pence per litre from Calor for whatever they filled club tank up with...( year around 2000) Made skiing very cheap...(Club sold it out at 6p per litre, amazing how many members had systems fitted to their cars and accidently filled them up instead of boat !)

 

[oyster]

If not, EURef2 would be called for.

EURef2 is already being called for - by many. Who do you mean would be calling for it?

 

[oyster]

It was only the other day, wasn't it?, that he was saying how his new best mate was going to play with him in Singapore...

Trump's warning to Kim Jong-un: make a deal or suffer same fate as Gaddafi
Asked about ‘Libya model’, Trump says: ‘That model… was total decimation. That model would take place if we don’t make a deal’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/17/north-korea-trump-latest-warning-kim-jong-un-gaddafi

And May and others look to him to be helpful to the UK?

 

[Woosh]

EURef2 is already being called for - by many. Who do you mean would be calling for it?

if a deal could not be concluded in time (or Parliament voted down the deal that the conservative government have negotiated) by December 2020, I think Parliament would call a new referendum.

 

[Woosh]

It was only the other day, wasn't it?, that he was saying how his new best mate was going to play with him in Singapore...

Trump's warning to Kim Jong-un: make a deal or suffer same fate as Gaddafi
Asked about ‘Libya model’, Trump says: ‘That model… was total decimation. That model would take place if we don’t make a deal’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/17/north-korea-trump-latest-warning-kim-jong-un-gaddafi

And May and others look to him to be helpful to the UK?

it's about time that someone tells DT that he can't always have his way.

 

[oldtom]

Unless we have and continue to have international parliaments, such as the UN which are capable of at a minimum of criticism of warring factions, the situation will be worse.

Go tell that to the Palestinian people 'Danidl'. I'm sure they will understand your point.

Tom