Brexit, for once some facts.

Zlatan

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here is a reply from their readers comments that I picked up this morning in the FT:

https://www.ft.com/content/fe2fb5a6-584c-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0

"Who needs the bleeding Europeans anyway? Let them stay in their poxy continent. What have they ever had to offer the world? Socrates, Kant, Erasmus and Descartes were a bunch of pseudo prats...God only knows what any of them were on about. Michelangelo, Vermeer, Van Gogh and Picasso should have stuck to house painting. Paris, Florence, the Alps and the Greek islands are all dumps of the first order. Mozart, Beethoven, Bach and Sibelius must have been tone deaf, given the dreadful racket they all came up with. Hesse, Hugo, Dante, Voltaire and Zola didn't know how to write for toffee. We're British and we can do very well without all of that tripe."

@ danidl: shush... my wife may read your comment.
What did the Romans ever do for us ?
 

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And your better alternative is?...
Membership of the EU and withdrawal from toothless organisations that allow member states to bomb tiny countries in the middle-east while permitting the Israeli holocaust upon the Palestinian people.

A United States of Europe with a standing army to defend its interests would be my preferred choice.

Tom
 
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Membership of the EU and withdrawal from toothless organisations that allow member states to bomb tiny countries in the middle-east while permitting the Israeli holocaust upon the Palestinian people.

A United States of Europe with a standing army to defend its interests would be my preferred choice.

Tom
And mine.
 
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Danidl

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Membership of the EU and withdrawal from toothless organisations that allow member states to bomb tiny countries in the middle-east while permitting the Israeli holocaust upon the Palestinian people.

A United States of Europe with a standing army to defend its interests would be my preferred choice.

Tom
The notion of toothy organisations, willing to bare their teeth is what is creating this mess. Unless we have and continue to have international parliaments, such as the UN which are capable of at a minimum of criticism of warring factions, the situation will be worse.
 

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here is a reply from their readers comments that I picked up this morning in the FT:

https://www.ft.com/content/fe2fb5a6-584c-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0

"Who needs the bleeding Europeans anyway? Let them stay in their poxy continent. What have they ever had to offer the world? Socrates, Kant, Erasmus and Descartes were a bunch of pseudo prats...God only knows what any of them were on about. Michelangelo, Vermeer, Van Gogh and Picasso should have stuck to house painting. Paris, Florence, the Alps and the Greek islands are all dumps of the first order. Mozart, Beethoven, Bach and Sibelius must have been tone deaf, given the dreadful racket they all came up with. Hesse, Hugo, Dante, Voltaire and Zola didn't know how to write for toffee. We're British and we can do very well without all of that tripe."
Speaks volumes about our education system and culture.
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Zlatan

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Well they gave you a nicer name for your island... Calling us Hibernia or the land of winter was a rather chilly thing to do... Not the kind of thing a good estate agent would do....
My Island...didnt realise Romans had got to Jamaica..Didnt leave much evidence behind...
 
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Speaks volumes about our education system and culture.
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I suspect it was tongue in cheek, ironic or written by a remainer (edit)..?
BTW...no wind here today. Cleaning equipment, washing salt off...and posting.
Nice and warm tho......

And a little EU/ UK moan. Tanked gas is dominated by Calor in UK...Every yacht, caravan, and mobile home built for/ in UK has Calor fitting. They don't fit EU / French bottles...so you have to buy a converter and a EU bottle and then carry empty UK ( Calor) and that's if your locker is big enough to take EU tanks.If it isn't...you have to buy yet another converter and go onto Camping Gas small cylinders. ( Calor in uk make a tall slim cylinder perfect for small spaces yet still holds 7kg of propane.)
I,m now running Camping Gas...( butane, which is rubbish for uk) 2kg cylinders...Because I didn't check type of cylinders on this damned yacht..Come on Calor...anybody would never guess we are in EU...
 
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flecc

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I suspect it was tongue in cheek, ironic or written by a remainer (edit)..?
BTW...no wind here today. Cleaning equipment, washing salt off...and posting.
Nice and warm tho......
I did consider that possibility, but since I also know that very large numbers here do actually think that way, I responded accordingly.

Nice here too, warm, clear sky and bright sunshine and only road salt in bins in South-East England.
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..Come on Calor...anybody would never guess we are in EU...
Calor's business was large and very solidly established in the UK pre 1972 so conversion would have had a prohibitive cost. And the EU would have chosen an existing continental standard to minimise the costs to them.

No doubt it's all linked to the metric - Imperial difference as well.
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Calor's business was large and very solidly established in the UK pre 1972 so conversion would have had a prohibitive cost. And the EU would have chosen an existing continental standard to minimise the costs to them.

No doubt it's all linked to the metric - Imperial difference as well.
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Calor actually do a more convenient range of cylinders. Problem being there simply seems to be no equivalent size in France/ Spain for size I have at moment. And the fact suppliers refuse to refill UK cylinders. You can fit refillable bottles and utilise Autogas refill but it is a little frowned upon. Bit of a headache whatever you do..( Stations are within their rights stopping you refilling refillable ( not fixed) cylinders..( Folk have adapted their own bottles to do so, auto refillable have a cut off at 80% full..( as do genuine refillable cylinders)
 
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Calor's business was large and very solidly established in the UK pre 1972 so conversion would have had a prohibitive cost. And the EU would have chosen an existing continental standard to minimise the costs to them.

No doubt it's all linked to the metric - Imperial difference as well.
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The essential difference is that the UK type connection is a clip on bayonet type at the high pressure end ,and pressure reduced at the cylnder . The french style uses a screw connection so that the high pressure butane can be piped longer distances and only reduced in pressure close to the appliance. It may link closer to usage patterns, where the uk version was used in isolated farmhouses, and the French in larger enterprises and industry.
I think, but am not sure that the French are more of an industrial standard, as they look great similar to the fittings on oxy act touches....
 
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