For those who haven't seen it, here is the photographic evidence to back up the tory media claims that Jeremy Corbyn met with a representative of an evil regime in the 1980s:
Tom
Tom
Brexit, for once some facts.
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They will simply move elsewhere, when exploiting the workforce fails to give the desired result.
And that so called evil regime became as a result of diplomatic advances?View attachment 23420
Lol!.. left yerself wide open on that one TomTit
feel a tad silly now...eh?!!!!
Are you saying no one should have tried to help the peace process by talking to them?
And you tell Tom he should feel a little silly?
It's over, move on.
From the Telegraph.
It seems terror is rife among the Torys, as this Corby attack is still the big issue
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Corbyn's shameful past is crucial today, he's the same old misguided socialist
Rather that that the same old anti social Fascists in power now.
And of course from their point of view anything that distracts attention from the shambles they are presiding over is welcome.
It's fascinating the the Russians interfered in the American Elections, using advanced techniques , and now interfere here using nothing more that the good old fashioned denunciation with no real evidence so effective before and during the second world war.
All you have to to is make up a story and send it to the Right wing papers.
Just use buzz words like "Traitor" and no one will bother to find out why Corbyn actually met these people, who were after all allowed entrance to the HOC, so cannot have been thought much of a threat.
Interesting that the word of these people is taken as gospel by these papers.....because they want it to be true?
And the big question, didn't they also meet members of the Conservative party too?
They undoubtedly did.
A Daily Mail Reader wrote this
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Jay, Wales, less than a minute ago
If this is true the man should be investigated immediately, who knows, he could be another Kim Philby. He is quite obviously a Marxist and should never ever be in the position he is in! The Unions have promoted him into this position so what does that tell you about Unions! Someone needs to get a pair of B---S and get to the bottom of this. If this is correct, our Security service should well be aware of this.
Corbyn was regularly watched and investigated over many years by the Security services and had there been anything they could use against him they would have.
But then the Daily Mail knows the mindset of its readers very well, and that they will simply react with rage if the right button is pressed.
And the same can be said for the other right wing papers, for after all , if Tory voters really understood the true motives of their leaders, they wouldn't vote for them.
It seems terror is rife among the Torys, as this Corby attack is still the big issue
"
Corbyn's shameful past is crucial today, he's the same old misguided socialist
Rather that that the same old anti social Fascists in power now.
And of course from their point of view anything that distracts attention from the shambles they are presiding over is welcome.
It's fascinating the the Russians interfered in the American Elections, using advanced techniques , and now interfere here using nothing more that the good old fashioned denunciation with no real evidence so effective before and during the second world war.
All you have to to is make up a story and send it to the Right wing papers.
Just use buzz words like "Traitor" and no one will bother to find out why Corbyn actually met these people, who were after all allowed entrance to the HOC, so cannot have been thought much of a threat.
Interesting that the word of these people is taken as gospel by these papers.....because they want it to be true?
And the big question, didn't they also meet members of the Conservative party too?
They undoubtedly did.
A Daily Mail Reader wrote this
"
Jay, Wales, less than a minute ago
If this is true the man should be investigated immediately, who knows, he could be another Kim Philby. He is quite obviously a Marxist and should never ever be in the position he is in! The Unions have promoted him into this position so what does that tell you about Unions! Someone needs to get a pair of B---S and get to the bottom of this. If this is correct, our Security service should well be aware of this.
Corbyn was regularly watched and investigated over many years by the Security services and had there been anything they could use against him they would have.
But then the Daily Mail knows the mindset of its readers very well, and that they will simply react with rage if the right button is pressed.
And the same can be said for the other right wing papers, for after all , if Tory voters really understood the true motives of their leaders, they wouldn't vote for them.
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It gets sillier
In the independent
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Theresa May to warn EU leaders not to jeopardise border security
PM to tell Munich conference that 'rigid institutional restrictions' in Brussels pose real threat to agreeing workable solution agreeable to both sides
And lower down on the same page.
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Brexit threatens to undermine European security, May is warned.
Quite absurd
In the independent
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Theresa May to warn EU leaders not to jeopardise border security
PM to tell Munich conference that 'rigid institutional restrictions' in Brussels pose real threat to agreeing workable solution agreeable to both sides
And lower down on the same page.
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Brexit threatens to undermine European security, May is warned.
Quite absurd
Hopefully its over but history has a way of repeating itself. The price of peace and progress is constant care and taking nothing for granted. The grandchildren of those effected in the 70s are coming of age.
And the healing process isn't helped by hotheads who keep harping on about the inglorious past instead of putting it behind them.
They need to observe restraint in word and deed.
Some of those born into bigotry just will not let go. Their politics are defined by their religion and when the marching season comes round again, they will once more exercise their right to parade their loyalty to the British crown. The sooner the 6 counties are subsumed into Ireland proper, the better it will be for all concerned.
Tom
Tom
Wise words indeed OG. We should all try and follow your wisdom on this ...both sides of the divide..( and I,m not being sarcastic)
Feeling quite mellow at moment...I,m in Vietnam and having appointment for heart procedure on my return I promised consultant I,d take it easy...he,s going to be a bit " pissed off" ( as wife is) I,ve broken 2 ribs windsurfing...currently enjoying solpedol , beer and Dire Straits..They are very sore...( ribs that is...not Dire Straits) Ahwell. Love Vietnam...can get on with what I came for now. Hopefully..
I ain't commenting on Brexit anymore. You lot sort it out..Good luck. You,ll need it.
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I hope your ribs repair themselves without causing you too much pain, not good timing with repairs to the main pump due!
Best wishes that all goes well.
Not commenting any more? see you on here in a week or so then......
I watched TM speech at the Munich Security Conference on BBC News 24 this afternoon. She seems to speak on behalf of her brexit captors.
It is clear to ordinary people that if we want to join Europol, the European Arrest Warrant scheme, the European Data Protection scheme, we will have to accept the jurisdiction of the ECJ because they are run by the EU.
The simplest solution is to have UK judges sitting on the ECJ panels when UK is implicated in the proceedings. But no, she spoke on behalf of our hard brexiters. They do not obviously want to accept anything to do with ECJ.
Now who is ideological?
It should soon become clear that red lines are non-sense when it comes to negotiations.
It is clear to ordinary people that if we want to join Europol, the European Arrest Warrant scheme, the European Data Protection scheme, we will have to accept the jurisdiction of the ECJ because they are run by the EU.
The simplest solution is to have UK judges sitting on the ECJ panels when UK is implicated in the proceedings. But no, she spoke on behalf of our hard brexiters. They do not obviously want to accept anything to do with ECJ.
Now who is ideological?
It should soon become clear that red lines are non-sense when it comes to negotiations.
You are missing her point
What we do......................................rational, justified, generous and agreeable.
What they do....................................ideological hostility if it differs
that must be true because they insist on importing only straight bananas.
I too watched the May interview and I felt both embarrassed and ashamed to be British. Her whole demeanour was risible and contemptuous of both the German Chancellor and the EU. May, like the clowns she appointed to negotiate our exit terms, is singularly unfit to represent this country in any forum and each time she interferes in matters requiring a grasp of diplomacy, she simply plunges the UK deeper into the mire she and her party have created by their attitude towards our mainland partners.
We are now a laughing stock across not only across Europe but also in the wider world thanks to the representation by May, Davis, Johnson and Fox. They are a classic example of the expression attributed towards the British fighting forces and their leadership in the Crimean war and in WW1, 'Lions led by donkeys!'
Tom
Everything that May does seems to be anti any form of compromise on Brexit....just a thought do you think she is carrying on with ‘a schorched earth policy’ right up to the brink,then bale out the week before March,2019.....leaving Boris and Gove with the mess.
KudosDave
KudosDave
They are really getting desperate in the Guardian with today's header
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Exclusive Czech agent claims 15 Labour MPs met spies as Ken Livingstone and John McDonnell deny claims"
Just how gullible can the papers be?
This denunciation season is getting madder by the day.
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Exclusive Czech agent claims 15 Labour MPs met spies as Ken Livingstone and John McDonnell deny claims"
Just how gullible can the papers be?
This denunciation season is getting madder by the day.
that was from the telegraph, not the Guardian.
If you want gullible, the Sun and the Express are harder to beat.
I suppose it makes a change from pointing at Russia meddling in our affairs.
Just why are we supposed to entirely trust someone who admits (claims?) to have acted as an enemy of the country? Suddenly they are elevated to a position of authority.
And just remember which stratum of society was involved most heavily in...
The Cambridge Spy Ring was a ring of spies in the United Kingdom, who passed information to the Soviet Union during World War II and was active at least into the early 1950s. Four members of the ring were originally identified: Kim Philby (cryptonym: Stanley), Donald Duart Maclean (cryptonym: Homer), Guy Burgess (cryptonym: Hicks) and Anthony Blunt (cryptonyms: Tony, Johnson). Once jointly known as the Cambridge Four and later as the Cambridge Five, the number increased as more evidence came to light.
Wasn't the good old working class labour-voting stratum.