Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

How do you know who lied more than whom?

Of course we know, the Brexiteers were the only liars, Remain never lied, fact.

Both sides made predictions about how things would be if we voted their way. They were not lies, just best beliefs from both.

But Brexiteers lied about existing factual matters, the notorious and fictitious £350 millions a week for example.

Remainers could not lie about what would follow, since all they were promising was to remain with the same, what we already knew.
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[Kudoscycles]

Sight of a bit of the Singaporean model are the Amazon fulfilment warehouses,shades of the old Victorian workhouses.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

Sight of a bit of the Singaporean model are the Amazon fulfilment warehouses,shades of the old Victorian workhouses.
KudosDave

Ok, so we just criticise any alternatives without checking to see if they contain any good elements, continue to do nothing and drift off into oblivion.

Fact is that to get out of our present ever increasing debt spiral and eventually become successful will entail pain, lots of it.

Unlike Cinderella, there'll be no Good Fairy for us, there's no easy way.
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[oldgroaner]

Now you're assuming. The Singapore model can have many ways of spending its benefits.
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Come now flecc, do you really expect those "benefits" will trickle down here rather than up into the pockets of the rich?
Lets face it that is a million miles away from the intentions of the Brexiteers, they serve a much more malevolent God than that , GREED

 

[flecc]

Come now flecc, do you really expect those "benefits" will trickle down here rather than up into the pockets of the rich?

No, I'm just saying what could be.
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[oldgroaner]

Ok, so we just criticise any alternatives without checking to see if they contain any good elements, continue to do nothing and drift off into oblivion.

Fact is that to get out of our present ever increasing debt spiral and eventually become successful will entail pain, lots of it.

Unlike Cinderella, there'll be no Good Fairy for us, there's no easy way.
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But we have chosen to drift off into oblivion haven't we, as none of the politicians care what becomes of the public so long as the rich stay protected.
That 'aint gonna change, is it?
They aren't pushing for Brexit for the benefit of the public and never will.

 

[oldgroaner]

No, I'm just saying what could be.
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And I could live Forever........
In reality I'll die trying to.

 

[oldgroaner]

Ok, so we just criticise any alternatives without checking to see if they contain any good elements, continue to do nothing and drift off into oblivion.

Fact is that to get out of our present ever increasing debt spiral and eventually become successful will entail pain, lots of it.

Unlike Cinderella, there'll be no Good Fairy for us, there's no easy way.
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If they Elect Moggy to the post of PM, we apparently have an instant answer to our problems(according to the Murdoch Press)

 

[Kudoscycles]

If they Elect Moggy to the post of PM, we apparently have an instant answer to our problems(according to the Murdoch Press)

If you are rich you will love the Singaporean model,it will make you very rich.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

One of my e-bike suppliers moved factory,100 miles to a bigger unit.
I spoke to one of the bosses,he said they were due to move next weekend...but how do you move 600 people?...he explained by bus.
But how do 600 people relocate housing so quickly....the boss looked puzzled,he couldn’t see a problem.
He took me over to a block of flats,next to the factory,except it wasn’t a block of flats.it was a block of dormitories,4 workers to a room.
But what if they don’t want to move....he looked puzzled again!!
The new factory was up and running in days after the weekend,some workers had worked round the clock,unpaid to get it going.
Liam Fox wants to open the UK to compete with Chinese workers who are not only cheap they are flexibly dedicated to their companies,the EU have protected Europe from such dedication.???
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

One of my e-bike suppliers moved factory,100 miles to a bigger unit.
I spoke to one of the bosses,he said they were due to move next weekend...but how do you move 600 people?...he explained by bus.
But how do 600 people relocate housing so quickly....the boss looked puzzled,he couldn’t see a problem.
He took me over to a block of flats,next to the factory,except it wasn’t a block of flats.it was a block of dormitories,4 workers to a room.
But what if they don’t want to move....he looked puzzled again!!
The new factory was up and running in days after the weekend,some workers had worked round the clock,unpaid to get it going.
Liam Fox wants to open the UK to compete with Chinese workers who are not only cheap they are flexibly dedicated to their companies,the EU have protected Europe from such dedication.???
KudosDave

And the most baffling thing of all is that the likes of Rees Mogg imagine that they can impose that in this country, and no one seems to understand the trouble that will ensue.
All along this has been my argument.
Quite possibly economically Brexit can be made to stagger along benefiting the rich, but it hasn't a Snowflake in Hell's chance of not requiring such a dire change in the living standards of ordinary folk (Who by the way are not so patient or inured to hardship as those of the past, and have never really had to work hard either) to be accepted without a reaction from them.

It's not as if the intent is "Steady as you go, we will muddle through" Oh Dear me no, we have Jackass wanting to screw the working class by turning them into wage slaves with no rights and at the mercy of predatory companies and practices
The man is a danger to the future of the Nation.

When you factor in that the rich who will be imposing this new regime on them as soon and quickly as greed can propel the process, are like Rees Mogg, so insular as to imagine they have a God given right to do so, and utterly lack an understanding of the words "unintended consequences"

A social disaster of epic proportions can hardly be avoided.
First a period of sullen suffering, then a violent mass reaction.

 

[oldgroaner]

Liam Fox wants to open the UK to compete with Chinese workers who are not only cheap they are flexibly dedicated to their companies,the EU have protected Europe from such dedication.???
KudosDave

In other words more like termites that human beings, and they imagine that will work here?

 

[oldgroaner]

If you are rich you will love the Singaporean model,it will make you very rich.
KudosDave

And legalise what amounts to Slavery by another name.

 

[oldgroaner]

A lesson from the Telegraph on how to apply a Political slant to a news item
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LeakedThe 37 EU rules Britain could be forced to accept during the Brexit transition"

Actually "continue to observe" is less contentious and more accurate, so where is the problem?

Simply this The Brexiteers can't impose "Singaporisation" for a while.
There you are, you saw the word first here.

In what context is it to be used?

When asked what is the Fascist version of Nationalisation?

The correct answer will be "Singaporisation"

 

[oldgroaner]

And wry comedy from William Hague in the Torygraph too
"
Brexit doesn't have to be a life or death struggle, but ministers must have a solid plan and a positive outlook
William Hague.

The chances of them achieving either are not so high as mine of being the next King of England

 

[oldgroaner]

So today the Government announces it has nothing to announce about Immigration Figures after we actually leave the EU

Truly we are living through the Second coming of the Goon show.
For those who are unaware of the Cast, here it is.
"
The Goon show Mark 2
cast.

Teresa May……………………...Minnie Crun
Philip Hammond………………..Henry Crun
Colonel Bloodnock……………...Boris
Grytpype Thynne………………..Rees Mogg
Count Moriarty…………………..Gove
Neddy Seagoon………………….Davis
Bluebottle………………………...Hunt
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Admittedly it is inferior to the original version, despite having a plethora of tragic-comic situations to apply Slapstick to

 

[Steb]

But we have chosen to drift off into oblivion haven't we, as none of the politicians care what becomes of the public so long as the rich stay protected.
That 'aint gonna change, is it?
They aren't pushing for Brexit for the benefit of the public and never will.

its tempting to think were in this hole because of the bankers being baled out in 08. but off course that equity bubble was about overinflated property prices propping up not only the overindulgent lifestyle of the baby boomers, but also taxation (sweet Gordon brown's pensions tax grab was funded by the public piling into property as an alternative to pensions, which have become unsustainable as much because of that as the fact that were living longer). so there's a disconnect between the life the great british public want to live and the money available to pay for it. which is I think where brexit came from (the "disenfranchised by globalisation" being really the work and training shy who would like to have a council flat and benefits and watch daytime telly and complain about all those immigrants who take away the work they imagine would pay rather lots of money for doing very little, which does not exist

 

[oldgroaner]

its tempting to think were in this hole because of the bankers being baled out in 08. but off course that equity bubble was about overinflated property prices propping up not only the overindulgent lifestyle of the baby boomers, but also taxation (sweet Gordon brown's pensions tax grab was funded by the public piling into property as an alternative to pensions, which have become unsustainable as much because of that as the fact that were living longer). so there's a disconnect between the life the great british public want to live and the money available to pay for it. which is I think where brexit came from (the "disenfranchised by globalisation" being really the work and training shy who would like to have a council flat and benefits and watch daytime telly and complain about all those immigrants who take away the work they imagine would pay rather lots of money for doing very little, which does not exist

Sorry to disagree on one point, Pensions here are about 15th in the league table as other nations seem to manage quite nicely, unless of course people there aren't living as long as we do.
And I would point out that Brown raided the Gold reserves to pay of the debt we owed to America for arms on lend lease.
Just how do you make a connection between Gordon Brown and people putting their money into houses?
When they bought them it's highly doubtful that they were the "Workshy" who you suggest live in council flats, mostly they saw this as an easy money making scam, as Tory a priority as you can get.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Theresa May has a short memory,she has already signed up to the customs union......Sadly for the Brexiteers, the government has already signed up to an agreement with the EU that refers explicitly to the customs union. According to paragraph 49 of December’s joint report, the UK will “maintain full alignment with those rules of the … customs union which, now or in the future, support … the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 [Good Friday] agreement”. Nobody in the government has yet been able to explain how the UK can abide by that commitment while simultaneously leaving the customs union. The Irish, tired of being dismissed, patronised and ignored by the Brexiteers, will not let the government off the hook. If we reject December’s agreement, we reject any deal with the EU at all.
KudosDave

 

[anotherkiwi]

Theresa May has a short memory,she has already signed up to the customs union......Sadly for the Brexiteers, the government has already signed up to an agreement with the EU that refers explicitly to the customs union. According to paragraph 49 of December’s joint report, the UK will “maintain full alignment with those rules of the … customs union which, now or in the future, support … the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 [Good Friday] agreement”. Nobody in the government has yet been able to explain how the UK can abide by that commitment while simultaneously leaving the customs union. The Irish, tired of being dismissed, patronised and ignored by the Brexiteers, will not let the government off the hook. If we reject December’s agreement, we reject any deal with the EU at all.
KudosDave

She is a politician (apparently not a very good one mais passons...), they don't have a memory...