Brexit, for once some facts.
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And at least the Russians didn't fleece us in the process!
Remember it was not England, it was the British empire, there were contributions from let's see India, Africa, Australia and NZ , Canada, NI and a significant contribution from a nominally neutral " Eire "
And that's before you factor in the "Allies"
And we got a lot of help from a fella with a little square mustache who was about as good at being a leader and strategist as our PM
His supporting band were about as good as May's too!
A Banana Skin.....AKA..Brexit!Justice for the poor way the UK has always treated the EU. We've been asking for it for years and are rightly being put in our place at last.
And just what comes before a fall?
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The UK declared the war and lost it at Dunkirk. That would have been the end, but for the scale of US and Russian assistance. Yes there was much appreciated help from many others, but they alone wouldn't have been enough.
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From the Express
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May to be ‘ousted by Brexit dream team of Boris, Mogg and Gove’ if she fails Brexit test
THERESA May could face a coup that will lead to Brexit “dream team” taking her place if she plans to keep Britain in a customs union with the EU, it has been reported."
I can't wait! this is Karma! to make Boris and gollum responsible for the mess they have made by making an even bigger one?
Ho Ho Ho ho
Since we are heading at flank speed into disaster, nice of these Clown to crawl out of the Woodwork and accept the Blame!
Poor Moggy, sidelined just as he was hoping to cover himself in Glory.
Astonishing that these Clowns can't see the Iceberg that the ship of state is coming up on fast.
If they had half a brain they would be heading over the channel claiming sanctuary, not heading for Number 10!
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May to be ‘ousted by Brexit dream team of Boris, Mogg and Gove’ if she fails Brexit test
THERESA May could face a coup that will lead to Brexit “dream team” taking her place if she plans to keep Britain in a customs union with the EU, it has been reported."
I can't wait! this is Karma! to make Boris and gollum responsible for the mess they have made by making an even bigger one?
Ho Ho Ho ho
Since we are heading at flank speed into disaster, nice of these Clown to crawl out of the Woodwork and accept the Blame!
Poor Moggy, sidelined just as he was hoping to cover himself in Glory.
Astonishing that these Clowns can't see the Iceberg that the ship of state is coming up on fast.
If they had half a brain they would be heading over the channel claiming sanctuary, not heading for Number 10!
From the Guardian
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Brexit attacks on civil service ‘are worthy of 1930s Germany’
Ex-cabinet secretary attacks tactics of leading Brexiters who have accused Whitehall of sabotaging UK’s exit from EU
Leading Brexiters who accuse civil servants of sabotaging Britain’s exit from the EU are adopting dangerous tactics similar to those of rightwing German nationalists between the two world wars, a former head of the civil service has warned.
Well what do you expect? this is the same process repeating itself after all!
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Brexit attacks on civil service ‘are worthy of 1930s Germany’
Ex-cabinet secretary attacks tactics of leading Brexiters who have accused Whitehall of sabotaging UK’s exit from EU
Leading Brexiters who accuse civil servants of sabotaging Britain’s exit from the EU are adopting dangerous tactics similar to those of rightwing German nationalists between the two world wars, a former head of the civil service has warned.
Well what do you expect? this is the same process repeating itself after all!
From the Independent
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If Donald Trump ever runs out of advisers, he could always recruit some of our hardline Tory Brexiteers
Despite Steve Baker’s embarrassing retreat over the leaked draft analysis, the Brexiteers are still at it
Baker, who described David Cameron’s attempts to sell his renegotiation of the UK’s EU membership terms as “polishing poo”, soon had to clear up a mess of his own making. In the Commons on Thursday, he claimed Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform think tank, told him at a private Tory conference event last October that Treasury officials had developed an economic model to show that all options for leaving the EU’s customs union were bad. Baker was forced to apologise when an audiotape of Grant’s comments proved he said no such thing. If the tape hadn’t emerged, I doubt Baker would have said sorry.
But hey, what's another lie and attempt to use Fake News to the Brexiteers.
It Happens every Day.......Just make up a story and publish it.....
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If Donald Trump ever runs out of advisers, he could always recruit some of our hardline Tory Brexiteers
Despite Steve Baker’s embarrassing retreat over the leaked draft analysis, the Brexiteers are still at it
Baker, who described David Cameron’s attempts to sell his renegotiation of the UK’s EU membership terms as “polishing poo”, soon had to clear up a mess of his own making. In the Commons on Thursday, he claimed Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform think tank, told him at a private Tory conference event last October that Treasury officials had developed an economic model to show that all options for leaving the EU’s customs union were bad. Baker was forced to apologise when an audiotape of Grant’s comments proved he said no such thing. If the tape hadn’t emerged, I doubt Baker would have said sorry.
But hey, what's another lie and attempt to use Fake News to the Brexiteers.
It Happens every Day.......Just make up a story and publish it.....
Expect the French people to ask their leaders to move the UK border to Dover any day soon now: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/03/border-treaty-migrant-surge-calais-violence
We want you to take back control...
We want you to take back control...
With the weak value of the pound v euro the costs of decamping to EU land have increased considerably.
KudosDave
At least Brexit is focusing on the split between Leavers and Remainers,that split is still in the cabinet,electorate and parliament. That split has a name.....the Customs Union....Theresa May is sitting on the fence by saying we are going to have our own Customs Union with the EU and we are also going to be allowed to go round the world doing FTA deals with anyone we can....Cake and Eat it.
Our arrogance as Brits assume that the EU is going to allow us Cake and Eat it....the EU are not stupid there is no way they are going to give us a tariff free access to the EU unless they have a high degree of control of what other rest of world deals we achieve.
That last statement would seem to be the possible political fudge that May will achieve,we will leave the EU,we will have a free trade deal with the EU and hidden in political speak and text will be the EU retaining a high degree of control of what other deals we can make but May will package it as a success....she is already claiming that phase 1 of the negotiations was a success but we all know that in reality nothing was achieved.
KudosDave
Our arrogance as Brits assume that the EU is going to allow us Cake and Eat it....the EU are not stupid there is no way they are going to give us a tariff free access to the EU unless they have a high degree of control of what other rest of world deals we achieve.
That last statement would seem to be the possible political fudge that May will achieve,we will leave the EU,we will have a free trade deal with the EU and hidden in political speak and text will be the EU retaining a high degree of control of what other deals we can make but May will package it as a success....she is already claiming that phase 1 of the negotiations was a success but we all know that in reality nothing was achieved.
KudosDave
no tariff access for goods is the easy part. Most FTAs are about lowering non-tariff barriers. There is no incompatibility between having a form of customs union with the EU27 and keeping the ability to do trade deals, it all comes down to what has been negotiated/agreed. EFTA membership is a case in point. EFTA countries can do deals with China separately if they so wish. There are safeguards built into the export/import declarations so that shortcircuiting communal external tariffs is not possible.
The war with the hard brexiters is a bit of smoke and mirror. They (hard brexiters) seem to be losing the argument for no deal brexit because we'll sign up to the exit plan (£40 billion bill) and they need to see some of their demands (immigration control) in the transition deal before the end of the year.
The war with the hard brexiters is a bit of smoke and mirror. They (hard brexiters) seem to be losing the argument for no deal brexit because we'll sign up to the exit plan (£40 billion bill) and they need to see some of their demands (immigration control) in the transition deal before the end of the year.
That's just a fop for the simple minded among the Brexit Voters,
What they really want is
- Protection of their Tax Havens
- To be able to treat UK workers as Peons by denying their rights.
They are going to get what they Deserve, but alas we don't , and no one in the HOC seems to care enough to represent us.
This is the here and now:
And this is the future post-'Brexit':
Tom
And this is the future post-'Brexit':
Tom
A curious Sub had in the Telegraph
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The Establishment is lashing out against Brexiteers in the most disgraceful way
Iain Duncan Smith"
What's curious about it? two things
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The Establishment is lashing out against Brexiteers in the most disgraceful way
Iain Duncan Smith"
What's curious about it? two things
- No one has the guts to oppose Brexit
- The Mogg faction has accused the Civil Service of lying about the Economy.
A clear case of idiocy from the Daily Mail
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Are some Lefties consumed by the politics of envy because they're no oil paintings, asks DOMINIC LAWSON
Apparently, there is an ugly truth about socialism. Literally. Last week, the American journal Politics and the Life Sciences published a paper claiming to have established a clear link between how good-looking we are and our political outlook.
According to its lead author, Professor Rolfe Peterson, the more attractive you are, the more you are likely to be on the Right. The unfortunate corollary is that the ... er ... plainer you are, the more likely you are to be on the Left."
Now I ask you , where have we seen this completely Fascist demonising of the opposition before?
I'll give you a clue: they referred to anyone who opposed them as
"Unter Mensch"
Apparently there is in fact an "Ugly truth" about people litle this moron
The faction among right wingers that believe this rot are dangerous nutters, with Bigoted ideas.
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Are some Lefties consumed by the politics of envy because they're no oil paintings, asks DOMINIC LAWSON
Apparently, there is an ugly truth about socialism. Literally. Last week, the American journal Politics and the Life Sciences published a paper claiming to have established a clear link between how good-looking we are and our political outlook.
According to its lead author, Professor Rolfe Peterson, the more attractive you are, the more you are likely to be on the Right. The unfortunate corollary is that the ... er ... plainer you are, the more likely you are to be on the Left."
Now I ask you , where have we seen this completely Fascist demonising of the opposition before?
I'll give you a clue: they referred to anyone who opposed them as
"Unter Mensch"
Apparently there is in fact an "Ugly truth" about people litle this moron
The faction among right wingers that believe this rot are dangerous nutters, with Bigoted ideas.
Oh dear, these weapon wielding, fake refugee, men children look as though they need a liberal application of CS Gas, Water Cannon and a peppering of Baton Round.
It’s no more than anyone would expect from the French than to weasel out of their Schengen Zone obligations. No surprises here, it is after all the French we are dealing with.
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