Really? that's a new twist, you may not like my posts, but I leave False Facts to you, or rather the way you spin them to come out how you wish them to be.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Once again twisting the facts, whilst essentially true, your statement only applies to the Politicians, not the vast numbers of Brexit Voters, does it?I think they were able to work it out for themselves
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/brexit-for-once-some-facts.24369/page-749#post-372420
It still has to be knocked into their thick heads somehow.
They "Haven't worked it out for themselves, have they?
The Politicians are not "The will of the People" are they?
Misrepresentation of information amounting to Fake Facts again! well done.
agreed.
disagreed.
even after the telegraph's 40 billion euros tip off.
Correction they are aware of it, because they have been told, but even that is only partly true, as even today one Paper gave a different figure to the other, and cried "We won't pay!" the Brexit voters haven't agreed to it surely?
just ask around where you live, how many have changed their mind if there was another referendum next month?
Believe it or not no one at all has mentioned Brexit for months, so who knows?
Publically people don't admit to error, but privately in a polling booth is a different matter. It's why elections swing both ways.
But I admit that many Brexiters don't have a fully functioning mind to change.
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It is said that 60% of Brexiters accept our economy tanking as a price worth paying. I don't think anybody seriously thinks that divorcing ourselves from 60% of our world trade is going to help our economy.
So if Brexiters are so keen on Brexit let them pay for it,I don't see why I should pay for it,
The £36billion divorce bill works out about £2000 per Brexiter,let's have a voluntary Brexit tax that all Brexiters would be pleased to contribute to,putting their money where their mouth is.
Vince Cable is right when he said that Brexit oldies have 'shafted' young people in the UK....he is right .....oldies never had to pay for uni education,in fact we had grants to go.......oldies are benefiting from house price inflation,which the young now pay for......oldies have good pensions which the young now pay for......oldies don't care about freedom of movement ,but are happy to take that away from the young.....oldies are the big drain on social care and the NHS that the young are paying for.
When you think about it the olds have become quite selfish and Brexit is another example of that selfishness.
KudosDave
So if Brexiters are so keen on Brexit let them pay for it,I don't see why I should pay for it,
The £36billion divorce bill works out about £2000 per Brexiter,let's have a voluntary Brexit tax that all Brexiters would be pleased to contribute to,putting their money where their mouth is.
Vince Cable is right when he said that Brexit oldies have 'shafted' young people in the UK....he is right .....oldies never had to pay for uni education,in fact we had grants to go.......oldies are benefiting from house price inflation,which the young now pay for......oldies have good pensions which the young now pay for......oldies don't care about freedom of movement ,but are happy to take that away from the young.....oldies are the big drain on social care and the NHS that the young are paying for.
When you think about it the olds have become quite selfish and Brexit is another example of that selfishness.
KudosDave
This is a variation of my suggestion that the EU could introduce personal membership., allowing remainers like myself to pay a fee to retain freedom of movement, access to the ECJ, health care in the rest of the EU etc.
Where Vince Cable and co. are wrong is in assuming that the older generation have voted to leave the EU. It seems to me from widespread observation of all sources that it's the middle years from 30 to 60 who have been the Brexiters, and none of them is regarded as old these days.
The real old from 60 to 90 have often supported Remain, since they remember what things were like pre joining the EU. In this respect, the participants in this thread illustrate that extremely well.
So, despite their sometimes accidental economic advantages, I refute that the old have been more selfish than other age groups.
All too often it's been the young who are being very selfish. For example living at home into older years at the parents expense without paying in adequately, or pushing parents into remortgaging so they can buy a home much more easily. And while doing those making no real effort to help themselves. They continue to run their cars, dress in expensive Nike etc, use their high end i-phones etc non-stop, go on holidays abroad, take back-packing years elsewhere, seemingly not prepared to do without anything at all.
In stark contrast, this oldie accused of being selfish bought the bungalow of their choice for my parents in their 40s as payback for the years they'd supported me growing up. That cost me a five and a half times income mortgage at the outset, meaning I continued to live in a single rented room elsewhere. I went without owning a home of my own for several more years until inflation, job changes and promotions meant I could just scrape a mortgage on a small flat.
Having two full mortgages to pay meant some real hardship for the early years, even running out of food one Christmas, but I won through in the end.
Some of my current affluence is due to having the bungalow to sell once my parents had passed away, plus the ability to cash in the home I live in. These supplement my pension and my lifestyle, but I paid for that with hard work and going without for many years, and there is absolutely nothing selfish in that.
Vince Cable is an idiot for not understanding that people and their circumstances are very mixed in diverse ways not related to age, and all behaviours can be found in all ages.
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Vince Cable is just trying to make a name for himself...well a bigger one. He has always been a fool and always will be but for some reason moderates seem to like him..
Of course I am OK for the UK to pay, we have triggered article 50 and are now trying to negotiate with the EU.
If it was easy to determine our legal EU liabilities the EU would have already issued a bill to the UK, so the figure is unknown at present and subject to negotiation.
It won't be easy as the legal definitions will be challenged by both sides and I have no doubt that some of it will be difficult.
For example Mr Barnier has offered a settlement on our 39 billion euro share capital of the EIB but that currently appears to breech article 4.4 of the EIB Statute:
4.
The share of a member in the subscribed capital may not be transferred,
pledged or attached.
The Statute can only be changed by:
Pursuant to the third paragraph of Article 308 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, the Statute may be amended by the Council acting unanimously in accordance with a special legislative procedure, at the request of the European Investment Bank and after consulting the European Parliament and the Commission, or on a proposal from the Commission and after consulting the European Parliament and the European Investment Bank.
I read that as the UK has the option to agree or not to the change.
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he tries to stay in the miiddle of the road and gets regularly run over by both the left wing and the right wing press.
A bit like the Independent.
I had to look that up........
Was that just a random show of affection, or is it connected or in reply to something?
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Well, at least we know one out 17 Million odd is happy to pay,
I suppose that constitutes a start....
Didn't someone bring up the subject of "Winning Hearts and Minds?"
It's a tough job, especially as Boris has insisted that the EU can "Whistle for it" and the usual culprits in the Daily Papers took that as Manna from Heaven to incite the Brexit Faithful.
Like all my posts OG totally spurious ( and a comment of affection ofcourse)I had to look that up........
Was that just a random show of affection, or is it connected or in reply to something?
Was in reply to this forum being only place discussing Brexit..