Brexit, for once some facts.

anotherkiwi

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I think half of the country does not want to hear words like 'function' and 'union'. They'd much prefer to 'make Britain a little poorer perhaps but great again'.
While they were sleeping the colonies got their independence and the 21st century is in its 18th year. If your idea of greatness is rape and pillage of the weak and needy, sorry it has gone out of fashion these days.
 

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While they were sleeping the colonies got their independence and the 21st century is in its 18th year. If your idea of greatness is rape and pillage of the weak and needy, sorry it has gone out of fashion these days.
You missed off everywhere else.
 
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If your idea of greatness is rape and pillage of the weak and needy, sorry it has gone out of fashion these days.
The EU does that every day.
 
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The EU does that every day.
... Oh dear are you sure you haven't gone into partnership with that Zatlan person?
I am happy to agree \disagree and or argue with you on different topics but that last comment is so off base it defies response
 
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... Oh dear are you sure you haven't gone into partnership with that Zatlan person?
I am happy to agree \disagree and or argue with you on different topics but that last comment is so off base it defies response
Look at tariff and non-tariff barriers the EU raises for food products from African countries.
Then look at the price those countries pay to import foodstuff from the EU.


Take the example of coffee. In 2014 Africa —the home of coffee— earned nearly $2.4 billion from the crop. Germany, a leading processor, earned about $3.8 billion from coffee re-exports.
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The concern is not that Germany benefits from processing coffee. It is that Africa is punished by EU tariff barriers for doing so. Non-decaffeinated green coffee is exempt from the charges. However, a 7.5 per cent charge is imposed on roasted coffee. As a result, the bulk of Africa’s export to the EU is unroasted green coffee.
The same thing happens to chocolate.

https://capx.co/how-the-eu-starves-africa-into-submission/
 
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While they were sleeping the colonies got their independence and the 21st century is in its 18th year. If your idea of greatness is rape and pillage of the weak and needy, sorry it has gone out of fashion these days.
.. those persuits never go out of fashion, just out of common discourse. Change the name, but don't change the content....
 
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anotherkiwi

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The EU does that every day.
Read the title of the thread. Now we need the facts to back that statement.

The EU hasn't gone off warmongering on a whim with the US. In fact it has even been criticized for not being more reactive. The UK and US going on about "greatness" is bordering on the psychotic, the world has other problems than which country has the biggest ego issues... Many of them caused by the way the US and the UK have been treating other countries in recent years.
 

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Look at tariff and non-tariff barriers the EU raises for food products from African countries.
Then look at the price those countries pay to import foodstuff from the EU.
And despite those tariffs my fruit and veg shop is full of produce from Morocco. Maybe you are thinking of this?

Are Italy and Spain sinking the rafts of the economic refugees at sea like your Aussie mates do?

Do the tariffs outweigh the other actions of cleaning up the mess left by UK, French and Belgian colonisation?

I did.
The way the EU deals with African countries is awful.
The way the EU deals with African countries makes the EU look like a saint compared with the way the French and the US and the UK deal and have dealt with African politics.
 

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I think half of the country does not want to hear words like 'function' and 'union'. They'd much prefer to 'make Britain a little poorer perhaps but great again'.
There's that myth again! The Great in Great Britain refers to the greater area with Scotland combined as a result of another act of union. So Britain is still Great, unless Scotland leaves.

Strange how one union is fine but another rejected.

And as for making Britain great again in status, from the 1930s we were in a continuous very damaging decline to eventual very little manufacturing up to joining the EU. Then within the EU recovery began to build up our manufacturing base again and our services business expanded.
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And despite those tariffs my fruit and veg shop is full of produce from Morocco. Maybe you are thinking of this?
sorry, I had to pop out to get some milk for afternoon tea.
Morocco has an FTA with the EU called Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area (DCFTA).
 

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Are Italy and Spain sinking the rafts of the economic refugees at sea like your Aussie mates do?
the EU commision wants to control the flow of migrants from Africa. Their plan is to force the rescue boats to move to outside the reach of rubber boats carrying the migrants and force those boats to bring the migrants to a port of the boat registered country.
Basically, the EU want to cap the number of migrants.
 

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The way the EU deals with African countries makes the EU look like a saint compared with the way the French and the US and the UK deal and have dealt with African politics.
they just move with the time. I'll wait until the day anyone can freely come to the EU to work to accept that the EU is not an empire. Until then, they behave like one.
 

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after a successful meeting with Donald Trump this morning.
Does that mean she was successful in meeting Trump or it had a successful conclusion with some kind of a deal?

I think the former.
 
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Does that mean she was successful in meeting Trump or it had a successful conclusion with some kind of a deal?

I think the former.
Not so much a Platonic affair as a Platitudinous one
Imagine the dazzling invective between these two clowns., alternatively just read the write up in the Murdoch Press
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DONALD Trump gave Theresa May a massive Brexit boost today as he said a UK-US trade deal will be signed “very, very quickly” after Britain leaves the EU.

The US President told the PM it would be a “very powerful deal” as he lavished praise on the UK – saying “no country could possibly be closer than our countries”.

Someone should have pointed out that not only are Wales and Scotland Closer, but so is Northern Ireland, Eire, the EU and part of Africa, plus Russia, plus.....etc,etc.
And a lot of us haven't much patience with the USA thank you very much.
 
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flecc

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DONALD Trump gave Theresa May a massive Brexit boost today as he said a UK-US trade deal will be signed “very, very quickly” after Britain leaves the EU.
Of course it will, Trump has been saying all along that he wants the USA making and exporting more and buying less from elsewhere. He's got no intention of increasing what he buys from outside, and that includes the UK.
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oldtom

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Both should be based on Universal freedom from the need to turn a profit.
Ah, yeah...but!

This is why we must trust the government dragging us towards the unimportant backwaters of world division two, in order to ensure we remain obedient little servants, happy to comply with the system.

The system is known as the 40-40-40 scam and is explained here:

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Sadly, the number of citizens who cannot escape from their lifelong mind-bending at the hands of the billionaire class and their media, causing them to vote tory, ensure that it is manifestly difficult to change the political landscape.

It is all the proof necessary to demonstrate that we can't cure stupid!

Tom
 

oldtom

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Trump has been saying all along that he wants the USA making and exporting more and buying less from elsewhere. He's got no intention of increasing what he buys from outside, and that includes the UK.
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It is for that reason (and a few others) that OG has stated repeatedly that we need to go through with this charade, allowing the general public to feel the pain acutely. Only when that pain in the wallet really bites will the idiots realise that they were hoodwinked by the most imbecilic charlatans produced by the British political system in modern times.

Tom
 
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