Woosh - I have to disgree about insularity being due to us being an island race. My reasons are that we are made of the DNA of many races, some of whom are island races and some who aren't. There is no such person as "pure" anglo saxon. Secondly, as an example, Ireland is an island yet does not have the same attitude towards Europe. Simiarly, Scotland is also part of the UK and also have very different attitudes. Although it is easy to use insularity as an explanation, it doesn't really work. Other reasons are likely to more relevant. OG points to conditioning as one example - suspicion towards Europe from many of the older generation may be another. It is interesting that younger people do not seem to have the same insularity although still part of an island race.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Yes, so many good intentions have disasterous consquences. Emotion is a very poor driver for action. In my work we used to advise people to stand back from a situation & let emotion settle before taking action. Generally, a very sensible approach.
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Read my post. Article says Urbanski is black ( which he isn't)
It also says it was a lynching, which it was not. I asked Tom where he,d got article from. You and Tom are always banging on about inaccurate media reports and this is the epitome of one.
The bigot should look up meaning of word Lynching.
Lynching is an extrajudicial punishment by an informal group. It is most often used to characterise informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged transgressor, or to intimidate a group. It is an extreme form of informal group social control such as charivari, skimmington, riding the rail, and tarring and feathering, but with a drift toward the public spectacle.[1][2] Instances of it can be found in societies long antedating European settlement of North America.[3][4][5]
As should author of the article who is infact trying to stir up racial hatred, wonder what Tom's motives are quoting a misleading and wrong article.
Lynching is an extrajudicial punishment by an informal group. It is most often used to characterise informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged transgressor, or to intimidate a group. It is an extreme form of informal group social control such as charivari, skimmington, riding the rail, and tarring and feathering, but with a drift toward the public spectacle.[1][2] Instances of it can be found in societies long antedating European settlement of North America.[3][4][5]
As should author of the article who is infact trying to stir up racial hatred, wonder what Tom's motives are quoting a misleading and wrong article.
You have reposted my comments which showed clearly
"To Sean Urbanski, a University of Maryland student, he was black."
Which part did you fail to understand?
I'll try again
What mattered to Sean Ubanski was that he was Black and therefore fair game
No it doesn't, you are misreading the article. In the line:
"To Sean Urbanski, a University of Maryland student, he was black."
the "he" after the second comma refers to the other person who Urbanski murdered, not to Urbanski himself.
That comma is crucial in the reading.
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OG
The lad that died was called Richard Collins, he was black.
Sean Urbanski stabbed him.
Sean Urbanski is a member of some Facebook white supremacy group. Sean Urbanski is NOT black.
Do some research other than read Tom's link.
It was not a lynching and the phrase "To Sean Urbanski "...could easily be interpreted as " Now onto Sean Urbanski"
Either way a very poor article and I never mentioned Donald Trump. That's a figment of Tom's nasty imagination.
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If anyone is any doubt about the colour of the perpetrator and that of the victim in the University of Maryland murder, there are countless reports available from assorted US news agencies available online.
Also, one of the guys I work out with every week is a Maryland native and he gets his information from friends and family back in his home state so I know that these reports online are pretty accurate.
Sadly, it seems you can't cure stupid!
Tom
Also, one of the guys I work out with every week is a Maryland native and he gets his information from friends and family back in his home state so I know that these reports online are pretty accurate.
Sadly, it seems you can't cure stupid!
Tom
And you think the link provides impartial reporting of the event...
When under your interpretation of " To Sean Urbanski.. " author knew what was going on in his mind...
Its a pathetic report and you know full well it is.
The crime was heinous, disgusting but the author assuming they knew what was going on in a lunatics mind is ridiculous. Calling it a lynching is sensationalism. Neither should be seen in media reports and we certainly shouldn't post links to biased propoganda..but Tom knows no better.
That link makes Daily Mail look impartial and fair, neither of which it is. Tom and OG are so quick to spot bias reporting, they then ignore all the faults in this article.
When under your interpretation of " To Sean Urbanski.. " author knew what was going on in his mind...
Its a pathetic report and you know full well it is.
The crime was heinous, disgusting but the author assuming they knew what was going on in a lunatics mind is ridiculous. Calling it a lynching is sensationalism. Neither should be seen in media reports and we certainly shouldn't post links to biased propoganda..but Tom knows no better.
That link makes Daily Mail look impartial and fair, neither of which it is. Tom and OG are so quick to spot bias reporting, they then ignore all the faults in this article.
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Because there were none to find, what are you going on about?
I can see why you say you aren't influenced by propoganda...when you cant even spot it.
... I believe, contrary to an assertion in the same wilkipedi reference that lynching owes its origin as a slang term for hanging to a incident in Galway in the middle ages. I have seen the window where it was reported as having occurred .
There is a song by Billie Holiday called strange fruit and this refers to a practice of the powerful white rulers in the southern states of the USA of controlling the negro population.
What OG was referring to , was as reported, the killing or murdering of a black student by an otherwise highly educated white student on what can be assumed a racial motive.
He has extrapolated from that and other incidents that the rise of nationalism is creating a climate by which some people are taking licence to injure or kill those they see as outsiders. You are entitled to either agree or disagree with that proposition, but please do so on the basis of evidence. Engaging in personal insults ... From both sides is demeaning.
Good post. You are correct on insults, I,ll try not to react . Honest.
On the link / murder.
A while before the incident some stupid senator remarked ( he claims off the cuff) that folk campaigning for confederate war memorials to be removed should be lynched . He insists it was a stupid throw away comment but its brought the word back into media's and public's conscience. Anti Trump press are latching onto incidents. By any definition it was not a lynching, no more than Lee Rigby murder was. This rhetoric is not helpful for anyone..
On a lighter note Utd have helped , tried to put a few smiles in Manchester tonight.
Just find it ironic Tom posts slanted links and OG defends him, after all they,ve grumbled about our right wing press.
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Back to Brexit.
Ryanair today reiterated it's position that unless a deal is done whereby the UK acknowledge the supreme authority of the ECJ in aviation matters , by the completion of the Brexit negotiations, they will withdraw any flights to and from the UK to the EU parts of Europe. Moreover, unless there are substantial grounds for them to believe that will occur and recognising that route schedules need about a year set up, that they will start removing aircraft and routes from 2019. I. E a hard brexit will have this consequence. And Michael o Leary believes that that is how it will pan out!!
Now I don't like commercial interests dictating state policy, but in this case they did warn the pre referendum electorate.
Ryanair today reiterated it's position that unless a deal is done whereby the UK acknowledge the supreme authority of the ECJ in aviation matters , by the completion of the Brexit negotiations, they will withdraw any flights to and from the UK to the EU parts of Europe. Moreover, unless there are substantial grounds for them to believe that will occur and recognising that route schedules need about a year set up, that they will start removing aircraft and routes from 2019. I. E a hard brexit will have this consequence. And Michael o Leary believes that that is how it will pan out!!
Now I don't like commercial interests dictating state policy, but in this case they did warn the pre referendum electorate.
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Commercial interests may be slightly more, how could we say... pragmatic than the wicked witch from the north?... 
Thanks for the correction. These are difficult and troubling times.
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The full report is below... And the starting date for these reductions is actually December 2018
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-may-have-to-stop-selling-uk-flights-next-year-1.3094906?mode=amp