Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Sometimes I wonder at the Headlines
"
Was Manchester suicide bomber part of a 'network'? Police 'identify' dead concert attacker as they probe whether he was a lone wolf or part of a terror cell

How would an individual working on their own have access to the Materials, technology and design of such a bomb?
And on top of that be sure enough that it would work and cause enough death and destruction to risk using it?
But then this was in the Daily Mail.

 

[tillson]

Sometimes I wonder at the Headlines
"
Was Manchester suicide bomber part of a 'network'? Police 'identify' dead concert attacker as they probe whether he was a lone wolf or part of a terror cell

How would an individual working on their own have access to the Materials, technology and design of such a bomb?
And on top of that be sure enough that it would work and cause enough death and destruction to risk using it?
But then this was in the Daily Mail.

I've had enough of the repetitive speculation, emotional reaction and expert opinion already. Can we just have the relevant facts as and when it's appropriate to release them.

 

[tillson]

Political campaigning suspended, the question is for how long. My guess is until the social care debacle has sufficiently faded from prominence. I bet Theresa May has an erection the size of Nelson's Column this morning.

 

[oldtom]

Can we just have the relevant facts as and when it's appropriate to release them.

Best to ignore the usual suspects on British TV and radio then. The foreign channels present British news with no side. They don't seem to 'provide' political or economics/finance editors to explain the government's preferred version of the news for you.

It seems to me that those who occupy those posts on the major UK news channels are all tories who are too ugly to stand for and actually win a seat in any tory constituency. They then do the next best thing with their limited talents and join one or other of the major news corporations and in no time at all, they emerge from the herd with the epithet, 'Editor' after their name and deliver the message to the masses as their master has prescribed.

I suppose I'd better think of travelling back to the UK and voting on June 8th - it would be rude not to after being so vociferous about matters political.

Tom

 

[Danidl]

I've had enough of the repetitive speculation, emotional reaction and expert opinion already. Can we just have the relevant facts as and when it's appropriate to release them.

... Yes and may I suggest that the relevant facts do not include the name of the bomber. There is a line in a Johnny Cash cowboy song about "don't say his name and and his fame won't live on" which I think is appropriate.

 

[tillson]

Best to ignore the usual suspects on British TV and radio then. The foreign channels present British news with no side. They don't seem to 'provide' political or economics/finance editors to explain the government's preferred version of the news for you.

It seems to me that those who occupy those posts on the major UK news channels are all tories who are too ugly to stand for and actually win a seat in any tory constituency. They then do the next best thing with their limited talents and join one or other of the major news corporations and in no time at all, they emerge from the herd with the epithet, 'Editor' after their name and deliver the message to the masses as their master has prescribed.

I suppose I'd better think of travelling back to the UK and voting on June 8th - it would be rude not to after being so vociferous about matters political.

Tom

I sometime watch Al Jazeera during downtime at work. It's actually a decent news channel.

 

[oldtom]

A long time ago, I drew attention to the dangers presented by the empowerment of street thugs, racists and all the right-wing extremist groups given to them by fascists like Farage, Johnson, IDS and most of the parliamentary Conservative Party.

Those fears I expressed came to fruition when a Nazi fanatic took his cue from the kind of dialogue employed by those lunatic fascists and brutally murdered Jo Cox MP. The police service noted a huge rise in hate crime around that time then we also had the murder of a Polish immigrant in Harlow which headlined for about 5 minutes but was seemingly viewed by tory politicians and their media representatives as simply an inconvenient fact best ignored or overlooked, lest it detract from the main message about 'Brexit'.

Those brief headline events were treated as if they were simply collateral damage, acceptable in order to get the message home and withdraw the whole United Kingdom from the alleged evils of EU membership. Now, the people of this country know better the kind of future 'Brexit' will bring as the party leading the lemmings towards the cliff edge has revealed much, much more about the policies the future holds under their administration.

I won't go into all the widely publicised cuts and taxes the tories intend to implement if returned to office as everybody should know by now what to expect. What has not been widely publicised in the UK however, is that the extreme right-wing fanatics in the USA, including the weasels who like to dress up in white robes and wear pointy hats while hanging negros, have been increasingly active since Trump was elected President.

Our USA-friendly government would not wish you to be able to consider such material lest it reflect badly on them, so their media wing simply fails to report a lot of what is happening across the pond.

A recent example is contained here:

lynching-university-maryland-campus

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

Thought for the Day from the independent
"
Seven in 10 Brits support 'world government' to protect humanity from global catastrophes
'Whether it’s the spectre of nuclear conflict over North Korea or our planet tipping into catastrophic climate change, the need for effective global cooperation has never been greater'
Nearly seven out of 10 people in the UK support the creation of a form of world government that would be able to force countries to deal with major risks facing the world such as climate change and nuclear weapons, according to a major new survey.

And 62 per cent said they considered themselves to be “a global citizen” in addition to being British, which will likely disappoint Theresa May who told the last Conservative conference “if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere”.

The ComRes survey, commissioned ahead of the G7 Summit in Sicily by the Global Challenges Foundation, interviewed 8,100 people in eight countries, Australia, Brazil, China, Germany, India, South Africa, the UK and US, which are collectively home to half the world’s population.

Then how does one explain Brexit?
Are we in a parallel universe here?

 

[Woosh]

Are we in a parallel universe here?

no, we are islanders.
Insularity is in our DNA.

 

[Zlatan]

Tom
I don't know where you got the article from but its factually wrong on two major issues.
Firstly,it was not a lynching, FBI are investigating wether or not it was a,hate crime.
Secondly, it clearly states Sean Urbanski was black, (In your account) He wasn't he was lad allegedly in white supremacist group. The murdered lad was black .

 

[oldgroaner]

Tom
I don't know where you got the article from but its factually wrong on two major issues.
Firstly,it was not a lynching, FBI are investigating wether or not it was a,hate crime.
Secondly, it clearly states Sean Urbanski was black, (In your account) He wasn't he was lad allegedly in white supremacist group. The murdered lad was black .

Hang on didn't you read Tom's post?
Read it again! Tom didn't say Sean urbanski was black did he?
The article compared the stabbing to a lynching and said this

To Sean Urbanski, a University of Maryland student, he was black.
Urbanski, as has been widely reported, is a member of a racist Facebook group called “Alt-Reich: Nation.” But that’s also not all he is. He’s a college student who grew up in the leafy suburban environs of Severna Park, Maryland. He hung out at Adele H. Stamp Student Union, studied at McKeldin Library, and wore his Baltimore Ravens gear around campus. He was not an interloper or an outsider. He is a homegrown terrorist who grew out of the soil of this college campus.

 

[tillson]

I understand that the government has taken strong and stable action in the face the recent terror attack by raising the threat level to Critical. The government's strong and stable action has also been extended to the police, who's numbers Theresa May cut to dangerous levels, by bolstering them with military personnel, who's numbers have also been cut by the same strong and stable Conservative government.

Political campaigning has been suspended until the threat to the Conservative lead in the polls, caused by social care funding reforms, has sufficiently receded.

Whoever votes for this filth next month needs their sanity testing. I hate them.

 

[tillson]

....... and can someone please switch the power off at the BBC to stem the flow of emotional drivel?

 

[shemozzle999]

Nothing in the pot for the UK of the ECB contributions:

"In accordance with Article 47 of the Protocol (No 4) to the Treaties, Decision ECB/2010/28
of 13 December 2010 on the paying up of the European Central Bank’s capital by the non-euro area national central banks (2011/22/EU) has established the extent and form of subscribed and paid-up ECB capital in relation to the Bank of England 's share. The paid-up capital is a contribution to the operational costs of the European Central Bank."

sources:

http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/XT-21016-2017-ADD-1-REV-2/en/pdf

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/gac/2017/05/22/

 

[tillson]

It wasn't so long ago that May was dropping heavy hints that the UK would be less cooperative with the EU over counter terrorism matters if the course of BREXIT negotiations displeased her. In view of recent events, is she going to be held to account for making that statement? What is her current stance on the issue?

 

[oldgroaner]

....... and can someone please switch the power off at the BBC to stem the flow of emotional drivel?

The enemy must love the reaction they are getting from our media. Time someone reminded them they are assisting the enemy achieve their objectives, and to act accordingly.

And that goes for the government too.

 

[homemoz]

Paul Bloom, a psychologist at Yale University has written a book called "Against Empathy: The case for Rational Compassion." Basically, he is saying that we live in an age where reason is constantly depreciated & emotions are celebrated. In the case of Manchester and other examples of extreme violence to others, I can appreciate that getting the balance right is very difficult. Yet the BBC is particular seem to be emphasising public opinion over rational analysis more and more. The trouble is that emotion, although a vital part of who we are, provides a viceral response which does not always translate into correct and appropriate action over time. The attacks on Iraq and Afganistan can be seen as examples, as to an extent is Brexit itself. Like Tilson, I suspect that one of the side effects of Manchester wil be to strengthen support for an authoritarion system of Goverment. It seems so wrong on many levels to be trying to go it alone as a nation at a time when more than ever we need closer cooperation with neighbours and friends.


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[Woosh]

Yet the BBC is particular seem to be emphasising public opinion over rational analysis more and more.

I suspect Mrs May may gain from the BBC coverage. Her 'strong and stable' approach is seen as right when the alert level is at critical.

 

[flecc]

The trouble is that emotion, although a vital part of who we are, provides a viceral response which does not always translate into correct and appropriate action over time.

And there's a much earlier example from decades ago when a BBC team came across a drought and starvation situation in a north east African country. They set in pace a huge emotionally based aid package from around the world to feed the unfortunate, the effect of which was for them to survive to starve again the next year and many subsequent years.

The real problem was that a small dry country that once easily supported 400 thousand people had, through western influences and medicine, increased the population to a completely unsustainable 6 millions. The answer wasn't only relief food, it was careful thought about what the problem really was and tackling that. But rational thought had been swamped by emotional expression so nothing has ever been achieved.
.

 

[oldtom]

Hang on didn't you read Tom's post?
Read it again! Tom didn't say Sean urbanski was black did he?
The article compared the stabbing to a lynching and said this

To Sean Urbanski, a University of Maryland student, he was black.
Urbanski, as has been widely reported, is a member of a racist Facebook group called “Alt-Reich: Nation.” But that’s also not all he is. He’s a college student who grew up in the leafy suburban environs of Severna Park, Maryland. He hung out at Adele H. Stamp Student Union, studied at McKeldin Library, and wore his Baltimore Ravens gear around campus. He was not an interloper or an outsider. He is a homegrown terrorist who grew out of the soil of this college campus.

Even as internet trolls go, this clown really is a complete pillock. He probably imagines that to qualify as a lynching, a hanging must be involved whereas hanging, evidently, is simply the usual method but any trial without jury and consequent murder may be referred to as a lynching.

He wouldn't be so quick to argue such a point if he lived in proximity with large numbers of black people in the USA, I'm sure.

I do believe what he is trying to say is that it's not Donald Trump's fault that all the American right-wing extremists have had a renaissance in recent times because of the kind of language employed by their disgusting apology for a President - it's just a coincidence......like the increase in hate crime in the UK cannot be levelled at the hatemongers and rabblerousers who preached their evil message in the run-up to the referendum.

Perhaps the troll would be better employed writing to the family of the young man murdered by Urbanski, offering his condolences. He could also write to the President expressing disgust about the matter.

Tom