Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Let's get two things straight.

1) The killings st the mosque can not be laid at Donald Trump's door or at any of those people who voted for Donald Trump.

2) People who destroy property belonging to others and assault people in violent protest over something such as a state visit by a democratically elected head of state are scum.

Scum will be washed off the streets and down the nearest sewer by a high pressure hose.

Dignified protest done in a peaceful manner which does not injure or damage property belonging to others is a different matter.

Let's get two things straight?
Lets do that
1: That you happily label people scum and suggest assaulting them with high pressure hoses if they protest, assuming of course that any violence is not going to have been introduced by supporters of right wing ideas that they are opposing?

2; You attach no responsibility to politicians who induce and approve racism, violence,torture and concentration camps as if they have no responsibility for the subsequent actions of people who approve of them, and rightly or wrongly assume that the violence and hatred they exhibit has the approval of their idol?

Your ideas are becoming more and more blinkered.
As Holmes remarked to Watson in the fictional novel
"You see, but you do not Observe"
As in the novel, so in real life.

 

[oldgroaner]

who are the bad dudes?

The only question remaining, which wall?
The Antonine wall, or Hadrian's?

 

[Kudoscycles]

I can't answer for them, but if they do engage in violent protest, they deserve to be on the receiving end of whatever it takes to neutralise them. Violence should never prosper.

Personally, if BREXIT doesn't work out, I'll swallow the consequences. However, I don't think BREXIT will fail.

The wonderful effect of Brexit is that no matter how bad it comes out there are 17 million Brits who wont complain about it....they could be starving but they sure as hell wont complain.
I must say that I was worried about all the price rises but my businesses have never done so well.....if this is Brexit lets have some more,I will be very pleased to say that I was wrong.
Just dont know where everyone is finding the money from?
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

The only question remaining, which wall?
The Antonine wall, or Hadrian's?

Where is the Antonine wall?
When they are finished there will be another to build between Wales and England then off to Ireland. I suppose this is all work creating infrastructure projects.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

The wonderful effect of Brexit is that no matter how bad it comes out there are 17 million Brits who wont complain about it....they could be starving but they sure as hell wont complain.
I must say that I was worried about all the price rises but my businesses have never done so well.....if this is Brexit lets have some more,I will be very pleased to say that I was wrong.
Just dont know where everyone is finding the money from?
KudosDave

They have little "Flexible" friends (well at least in the short term)

 

[oldgroaner]

Where is the Antonine wall?
When they are finished there will be another to build between Wales and England then off to Ireland. I suppose this is all work creating infrastructure projects.
KudosDave

Just added an image showing the position

 

[tillson]

Let's get two things straight?
Lets do that
1: That you happily label people scum and suggest assaulting them with high pressure hoses if they protest, assuming of course that any violence is not going to have been introduced by supporters of right wing ideas that they are opposing?

2; You attach no responsibility to politicians who induce and approve racism, violence,torture and concentration camps as if they have no responsibility for the subsequent actions of people who approve of them, and rightly or wrongly assume that the violence and hatred they exhibit has the approval of their idol?

Your ideas are becoming more and more blinkered.
As Holmes remarked to Watson in the fictional novel
"You see, but you do not Observe"
As in the novel, so in real life.

There is clearly a difference between our outlook. You approve of rioting and I don't. Nothing further to discuss.

If people engage in riot over Donald Trump's visit, they are scum and in my view it is acceptable to take whatever measures are necesssy in order to neutralise the rioting.

 

[tillson]

The wonderful effect of Brexit is that no matter how bad it comes out there are 17 million Brits who wont complain about it....they could be starving but they sure as hell wont complain.
I must say that I was worried about all the price rises but my businesses have never done so well.....if this is Brexit lets have some more,I will be very pleased to say that I was wrong.
Just dont know where everyone is finding the money from?
KudosDave

Well here you are then, you were fretting over nothing.

 

[oldgroaner]

There is clearly a difference between our outlook. You approve of rioting and I don't. Nothing further to discuss.

If people engage in riot over Donald Trump's visit, they are scum and in my view it is acceptable to take whatever measures are necesssy in order to neutralise the rioting.

Imaginative as usual as I do not approve of rioting and even less of protests being disrupted by right wing rabble.
Your view is typically right wing, I don't understand something so it must be suppressed.
There have been protests here already, where were the riots you go on about?
In your imagination?

 

[Kudoscycles]

I think we will take the Antonine wall,there are some nice to do part of the job,we could tell the SNP thats its all down to boundary changes and we are going to give them Northern Ireland in exchange.
Actually that solves a lot of problems,Scotland can join a united Ireland and stay part of the EU.
Sturgeon will be happy.
I am wasted at this selling job,I wanted to study Geography at Uni but got talked into engineering.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Well here you are then, you were fretting over nothing.

No he is not, he is observing a short term knee jerk reaction of people spending up while they still can and worrying about the consequences later.
Actually that pretty much sums up the attitude of the average Brexit voter, no thought for the future worth mentioning.
Even the Daily Mail of all rags noted this;
"
British households are nursing a ‘New Year debt hangover’ after embarking on the biggest borrowing binge in a decade in the run up to Christmas.

Families borrowed £1.5billion on loans and credit cards in November, according to figures published by the Bank of England yesterday.

Borrowing surged by 8.3 per cent over the year, the sharpest rise since February 2006 – two years before the financial crisis hit.
City watchdog the Financial Conduct Authority is investigating the £150billion credit card market amid concerns that nine million vulnerable customers are trapped in a spiral of debt.

It is also investigating cards issued with low credit limits of a couple of hundred pounds and high interest rates, which have been dubbed ‘payday loans with plastic’.

Around 30 million consumers, or 60 per cent of the adult population, hold at least one credit card.


Like Brexit this is another Bubble that will burst.

 

[flecc]

Just dont know where everyone is finding the money from?
KudosDave

This midday's news included a one report of a fall in consumer expenditure, put down to increasing concerns over the economy. So maybe the turnaround is beginning as people stretch their plastic too far or finish off cash reserves spent because they weren't earning decent interest and will lose value due to increasing inflation.

Forecasts are that spending will fall as inflation bites.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think we will take the Antonine wall,there are some nice to do part of the job,we could tell the SNP thats its all down to boundary changes and we are going to give them Northern Ireland in exchange.
Actually that solves a lot of problems,Scotland can join a united Ireland and stay part of the EU.
Sturgeon will be happy.
I am wasted at this selling job,I wanted to study Geography at Uni but got talked into engineering.
KudosDave

You can't win them all, at that stage I wanted to study the Surface areas of the Female anatomy and ended up as an Engineer too.
(Was that the sort of Geography you had in mind too?)

 

[Kudoscycles]

No he is not, he is observing a short term knee jerk reaction of people spending up while they still can and worrying about the consequences later.
Actually that pretty much sums up the attitude of the average Brexit voter, no thought for the future worth mentioning.
Even the Daily Mail of all rags noted this;
"
British households are nursing a ‘New Year debt hangover’ after embarking on the biggest borrowing binge in a decade in the run up to Christmas.

Families borrowed £1.5billion on loans and credit cards in November, according to figures published by the Bank of England yesterday.

Borrowing surged by 8.3 per cent over the year, the sharpest rise since February 2006 – two years before the financial crisis hit.
City watchdog the Financial Conduct Authority is investigating the £150billion credit card market amid concerns that nine million vulnerable customers are trapped in a spiral of debt.

It is also investigating cards issued with low credit limits of a couple of hundred pounds and high interest rates, which have been dubbed ‘payday loans with plastic’.

Around 30 million consumers, or 60 per cent of the adult population, hold at least one credit card.


Like Brexit this is another Bubble that will burst.

One effect of Brexit seems a couldnt care less attitude.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

You can't win them all, at that stage I wanted to study the Surface areas of the Female anatomy and ended up as an Engineer too.

My wife is a uni snob,I studied at Hatfield Poly,now the University of Herts,hardly a Russell Group establishment....she says I didnt go to a 'proper Uni',hehe.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

One effect of Brexit seems a couldnt care less attitude.
KudosDave

I suspect the average voter feels they are on diet of Prunes and Viagra
I'm sure you can work out the likely result.

 

[flecc]

I think we will take the Antonine wall,there are some nice to do part of the job,we could tell the SNP thats its all down to boundary changes and we are going to give them Northern Ireland in exchange.
Actually that solves a lot of problems,Scotland can join a united Ireland and stay part of the EU.
Sturgeon will be happy.
I am wasted at this selling job,I wanted to study Geography at Uni but got talked into engineering.
KudosDave

Turn Hadrian's Wall or the Antonine line into a big money earning canal, Panama Canal style, making Scotland an island nation within the EU.
.

 

[flecc]

You can't win them all, at that stage I wanted to study the Surface areas of the Female anatomy

Wouldn't in-depth research have been more satisfying?
.

 

[oldgroaner]

My wife is a uni snob,I studied at Hatfield Poly,now the University of Herts,hardly a Russell Group establishment....she says I didnt go to a 'proper Uni',hehe.
KudosDave

One of the bigger Educational Establishments in Hull has this fetching T shirt for it's Alumni

 

[oldgroaner]

Wouldn't in-depth research have been more satisfying?
.

I intended to start at the "Bottom" so to speak and work up.