Brexit, for once some facts.

[anotherkiwi]

I'm from a part of Africa where the life expectancy used to be 37 across the board (it's 62 now, mainly due to unlicensed HIV medication provided affordably to government health clinics). but its by way of saying it's a deprived area. but it was always possible to do or become whatever one wants to - if, and a major if it is, one put the effort in. I'm sorry to hear about your struggle, sincerely, but when I look at the opportunities European workers have I find it extremely difficult to accept that globalisation means they cannot find other ways to fulfil their potential. I'm afraid I just really don't buy it.

Africans are much better at survival, they have been at it for a very long time. The industrial revolution destroyed the survival instinct in northern Europe.

I wasn't talking about myself, I have always been mobile and reasonably well educated. I was talking mostly about the workers of the industrial north. The able ones got out when the factories closed and went to greener pastures. The under educated or the not so competent were stranded. Those are the ones that are difficult to get out of poverty.

The ones that moved have had mixed luck, some saw the job they moved to go the same way as the one they had lost! Most were able to be reconverted to different lines of work.

 

[flecc]

Not much point posting anything good or otherwise on this thread. It has been hijacked by remoaners who do not have a good word to say about the UK and want to constantly run it down.

Simply untrue, I have frequently praised UK products where they deserve praise, for example this post in this very thread.

I have also done so previously in regards to satellites in which we are world-class designers and constructors, and also our excellent record of innovation.

My main criticism is that we always fail to expoit our innovations, often with very obviously poor choices of the direction to go.
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[tillson]

funny that, I think the climate is right for a reform of right wing thinking in the uk, and that brexit voters need hitting with a stick, and that brexit is that stick

derf, you are such a fool. It is attitudes such as yours which block compromise and progress.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Any one who's pro leave want to offer any argument with this assessment of the current situation then?

If you need to see it bigger, or want to discuss it with me personally you can here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157848705655193&set=a.453281405192.374756.886205192&type=3&theater

 

[oldgroaner]

There are some aspects of the EU which I don't have an issue with. Other aspects I think are unnecessary and unpopular, not only in the UK but to a wider population across the EU as a whole.

I would not have any objections to remaining part of a reformed EU. By reformed, I mean in the proper sense, not a David Cameron type pretend reform.

The only way it will get "reformed" is with us inside it, we can't expect others to do our "dirty work"

 

[trex]

I think to go down the advisory route tree is a very dangerous path to follow. Pre-referendum, the government said they would ask the people and carry out their wishes. I understand that legally the referendum is advisory, but that has only been brought to the fore since the vote went "the wrong way."

People are not going to accept the "advisory" excuse. Even mild Brexit supporters who could easily swayed towards remain will feel immensely cheated by that outcome and a very hard Brexit is sure to follow within a few years.

I think the climate is right for EU reform, but unfortunately the EU leaders need hitting with a stick to make it happen. The threat of Brexit is that stick.

at the end of the day, parliament is where important decisions are taken.
if you don't accept the result as advisory then the alternative is another referendum. Parliament can vote for that too.

 

[trex]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157848705655193&set=a.453281405192.374756.886205192&type=3&theater

this link works better:

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?p=13136045#post13136045

 

[tillson]

at the end of the day, parliament is where important decisions are taken.
if you don't accept the result as advisory then the alternative is another referendum. Parliament can vote for that too.

It's dangerous. BREXIT and the far right will see support surge.

I'm not sure if a hard BREXIT will happen. But I am certain that it will if the result of the referendum is disregarded.

A compromise deal has the best chance of appeasing.

 

[oldgroaner]

not with a soft brexit. The Pound will strongly recovers in such a scenario.

Frankly the economic aspect is secondary to me, as indeed it is to the Brexit voters, and like them my concern is for the fate of the disadvantaged in this country.
In that they and I are in complete accord, we merely differ in the ways and means to achieve that objective.
I am not concerned for my future, having had cancer and being 73 already means that is not something worth worrying about,but I am concerned that so much interest and importance is placed on the economy , it smacks of knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing as the old saying goes.
We are talking about the quality of the next generations live's here, not just our own.
A significant fact to keep in mind is that when this country was Top Dog and the richest on Earth the poor led miserable short lives, starving, in dreadful conditions and riddled with disease.
There is far more to Society than mere money.

 

[oldgroaner]

It's dangerous. BREXIT and the far right will see support surge.

I'm not sure if a hard BREXIT will happen. But I am certain that it will if the result of the referendum is disregarded.

A compromise deal has the best chance of appeasing.

tillson my friend, you are right, the only question is, will the greater mass of the voters accept such an outcome anyway, and when this lot of dust has settled will Brexit work? or be an utter disaster?

 

[anotherkiwi]

Any one who's pro leave want to offer any argument with this assessment of the current situation then?

If you need to see it bigger, or want to discuss it with me personally you can here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157848705655193&set=a.453281405192.374756.886205192&type=3&theater

What is this "facebook" thing you want me to join? Isn't it an american advertising agency that tracks people and sells their data to the NSA to boot?

Although tongue in cheek it is about as close to reality as anything else I have read (thanks to trex's link).

 

[flecc]

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?p=13136045#post13136045

That Crystal Palace Football Club site Brexit Thread is outclassing us with more than double our number of posts.
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[tillson]

That Crystal Palace Football Club site Brexit Thread is outclassing us with more than double our number of posts.
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Clearly on this thread the mood is anti-BREXIT. What is the "vibe" on the Crystal Palace site?

 

[oldgroaner]

here you are tillson old chap ,a quote that hopefully will amuse you as it did me.
"“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.”
Classic

 

[oldgroaner]

Clearly on this thread the mood is anti-BREXIT. What is the "vibe" on the Crystal Palace site?

Does it matter? stay with us where you are needed most tillson!

 

[oldgroaner]

What is this "facebook" thing you want me to join? Isn't it an american advertising agency that tracks people and sells their data to the NSA to boot?

Although tongue in cheek it is about as close to reality as anything else I have read (thanks to trex's link).

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As the NHS does with people's data to private companies?
Yup, well spotted.

 

[tillson]

here you are tillson old chap ,a quote that hopefully will amuse you as it did me.
"“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.”
Classic

Tact & Diplomacy are my middle names.

 

[tillson]

Does it matter? stay with us where you are needed most tillson!

Just curious.

 

[derf]

derf, you are such a fool. It is attitudes such as yours which block compromise and progress.

funny that, I was simply quoting you, verbatim, simply substituting the right wing for the eu. er, does that make you a fool blocking progress?

 

[flecc]

Clearly on this thread the mood is anti-BREXIT. What is the "vibe" on the Crystal Palace site?

I don't know Tillson before I could reach enough to know, it locked me out unless I register.
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