Brexit, for once some facts.

[tillson]

The fact that you trust a man who admits to stealing £200,000 pounds from accommodation expenses makes your judgement of character highly subject, and his trustworthiness none existent.
His excuse "others do it" with that attitude he is capable of anything.

OG, If Nigel Farage had made an admission to the THEFT of £200 000 he would have been, arrested, interviewed and then upon advice from the Crown Prosecution Service, either charged or released without charge due to insufficient evidence.

Each stage of the above process requires a certain level of suspicion. The police will, if they suspect that an offence has taken place and they suspect that a person is guilty of that offence, arrest that person. An admission to the theft of £200 000 would more than satisfy the level of suspicion required to arrest Nigel Farage. As far as I am aware, he has never been arrested, interviewed, charged or gone on trial for the offence that you allege. We already know that where genuine theft and corruption occurs, politicians do go on trial and they do go to gaol. This has not happened in the case of Nigel Farage because no theft has occurred.

Again, you are transitioning straight to the far end of the scale and not applying any measure of restraint or reason. Farage, MAY have claimed every single scrap of allowance to which he is entitled and some may believe that to be excessive and greedy. I don't know, because I don't know what he has claimed. However, there is a million miles between this and an outright act of criminality in the form of theft.

I suspect that you are applying a similar process to BREXIT in that you are taking aspects of the process which MAY be mildly detrimental to the UK, but presenting them as catastrophic to your audience.

 

[oldtom]

Oh Tom, what have you done?

Tillson, you really ought to think before you punch those keys. It is not me who is responsible for the inconsistencies emerging between the government's public posturing and the message being broadcast by its media wing. I have simply drawn attention to it.

I stand by everything I have ever said about the British media so there is no inconsistency on my part.

This is why you and the Diane Abbotts and the Shami Chakrabartis will never have any influence at all. Contrary to your condemnation that everyone who has a different view to you is thick or stupid, they are not, they can see through you and they see hypocrisy and they don't like what they see.

Why did you choose to include those two particular political activists, both women and both non-white, in your ridiculous diatribe? A lot of people might well take from your selection that besides making up your own rules about apostrophe usage -

You see Tom, this is why the Nigel Farage's and Donald Trump's prevail.

- you are also probably a misogynist as well as racist.

Apart from the rules of basic grammar, there are other old adages worth remembering so one doesn't come across as stupid quite as often as you do in print; remember the one that goes, 'Sometimes it's better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and prove it.'?

Tom

 

[derf]

OG, If Nigel Farage had made an admission to the THEFT of £200 000 he would have been, arrested, interviewed and then upon advice from the Crown Prosecution Service, either charged or released without charge due to insufficient evidence.

Each stage of the above process requires a certain level of suspicion. The police will, if they suspect that an offence has taken place and they suspect that a person is guilty of that offence, arrest that person. An admission to the theft of £200 000 would more than satisfy the level of suspicion required to arrest Nigel Farage. As far as I am aware, he has never been arrested, interviewed, charged or gone on trial for the offence that you allege. We already know that where genuine theft and corruption occurs, politicians do go on trial and they do go to gaol. This has not happened in the case of Nigel Farage because no theft has occurred.

Again, you are transitioning straight to the far end of the scale and not applying any measure of restraint or reason. Farage, MAY have claimed every single scrap of allowance to which he is entitled and some may believe that to be excessive and greedy. I don't know, because I don't know what he has claimed. However, there is a million miles between this and an outright act of criminality in the form of theft.

I suspect that you are applying a similar process to BREXIT in that you are taking aspects of the process which MAY be mildly detrimental to the UK, but presenting them as catastrophic to your audience.

"mildly detrimental to the uk"? I'm guessing you're on a extraordinary high dose of diazepam and don't read the business news. there is this thing called "the pound". it has been collapsing.

speaking of farage, how much evidence and obstructing investigation do you need?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/12/nigel-farage-europe-expenses-ukip

on the plus side, it's great to see your denial is wearing off! you've moved from "brexit is great" to "brexit is mildly damaging". soon now you will be in what the alcohol dependent refer to a delireum tremens once the reality of the awfulness of what you've done hits home.

 

[oldgroaner]

OG, If Nigel Farage had made an admission to the THEFT of £200 000 he would have been, arrested, interviewed and then upon advice from the Crown Prosecution Service, either charged or released without charge due to insufficient evidence.

Each stage of the above process requires a certain level of suspicion. The police will, if they suspect that an offence has taken place and they suspect that a person is guilty of that offence, arrest that person. An admission to the theft of £200 000 would more than satisfy the level of suspicion required to arrest Nigel Farage. As far as I am aware, he has never been arrested, interviewed, charged or gone on trial for the offence that you allege. We already know that where genuine theft and corruption occurs, politicians do go on trial and they do go to gaol. This has not happened in the case of Nigel Farage because no theft has occurred.

Again, you are transitioning straight to the far end of the scale and not applying any measure of restraint or reason. Farage, MAY have claimed every single scrap of allowance to which he is entitled and some may believe that to be excessive and greedy. I don't know, because I don't know what he has claimed. However, there is a million miles between this and an outright act of criminality in the form of theft.

I suspect that you are applying a similar process to BREXIT in that you are taking aspects of the process which MAY be mildly detrimental to the UK, but presenting them as catastrophic to your audience.

Lets see now, you stated
Farage, MAY have claimed every single scrap of allowance to which he is entitled and some may believe that to be excessive and greedy. I don't know, because I don't know what he has claimed. However, there is a million miles between this and an outright act of criminality in the form of theft.
And what was that supposed to mean when this is what happened.
"The Electoral Commission sought clarification in April over Farage's failure to declare these donations-in-kind, leading Farage to register 14 separate donations dating back to 2001, with a total value of over £205,000, on 14 May. The non-cash donations came from party supporter John Longhurst."

How many more like that would you like?
"
The Times suggested earlier this year that Farage received £15,000 a year from the EU to pay for his constituency office. But since the office, an old grain-store near Lyminster, was rent-free, the true cost of administering the office was close to £3,000 a year – suggesting £12,000 a year was unaccounted for.

In his correspondence with the Electoral Commission, Farage has confirmed he did not have to pay rent on the office for 14 years. This leaves him needing to explain where more than £160,000 of taxpayers' money from the European parliament has gone."

Next case please, and tillson, fancy words won't cut it.

By the way I really rather like the "Mildly detrimental to the UK" reference, by your standards of measurement, so was the Luftwaffe (Although in Hull where I live) there is a case for saying razing the city pretty much down to the ground made Town Planning simpler.
Is that perchance how you see the goodness will flow from Brexit?
Do have a nice delusion. recommended salutation to a Brexit Voter.

 

[tillson]

Lets see now, you stated
Farage, MAY have claimed every single scrap of allowance to which he is entitled and some may believe that to be excessive and greedy. I don't know, because I don't know what he has claimed. However, there is a million miles between this and an outright act of criminality in the form of theft.
And what was that supposed to mean when this is what happened.
"The Electoral Commission sought clarification in April over Farage's failure to declare these donations-in-kind, leading Farage to register 14 separate donations dating back to 2001, with a total value of over £205,000, on 14 May. The non-cash donations came from party supporter John Longhurst."

How many more like that would you like?
"
The Times suggested earlier this year that Farage received £15,000 a year from the EU to pay for his constituency office. But since the office, an old grain-store near Lyminster, was rent-free, the true cost of administering the office was close to £3,000 a year – suggesting £12,000 a year was unaccounted for.

In his correspondence with the Electoral Commission, Farage has confirmed he did not have to pay rent on the office for 14 years. This leaves him needing to explain where more than £160,000 of taxpayers' money from the European parliament has gone."

Next case please, and tillson, fancy words won't cut it.

By the way I really rather like the "Mildly detrimental to the UK" reference, by your standards of measurement, so was the Luftwaffe (Although in Hull where I live) there is a case for saying razing the city pretty much down to the ground made Town Planning simpler.
Is that perchance how you see the goodness will flow from Brexit?
Do have a nice delusion. recommended salutation to a Brexit Voter.

OG,

If you are in possession of evidence which shows that Nigel Farage has committed an act of theft, then you must find a constable and present your findings for scrutiny. If the evidence is credible, then Farage will be prosecuted.

 

[oldgroaner]

OG,

If you are in possession of evidence which shows that Nigel Farage has committed an act of theft, then you must find a constable and present your findings for scrutiny. If the evidence is credible, then Farage will be prosecuted.

No need tillson old chap as his doings are already being investigated right now, nothing new there and if you are right about the prosecution service, he will end up in court like his friend Trump is going to.
Great fun, isn't it?
For a man of integrity this seems a little out of character don't you think?
Referring to publishing Tax returns
"Days later he refused to do so saying he would not be singled out as the only one of 73 MEPs to have his accounts independently audited. In fact all UK MEPs other than those from Ukip have had their accounts audited.
These things take time, be patient.
That's how the "got" Al Capone in the end.
And Mrs May will no doubt be delighted!

 

[tillson]

No need tillson old chap as his doings are already being investigated right now, nothing new there and if you are right about the prosecution service, he will end up in court like his friend Trump is going to.
Great fun, isn't it?
For a man of integrity this seems a little out of character don't you think?
Referring to publishing Tax returns
"Days later he refused to do so saying he would not be singled out as the only one of 73 MEPs to have his accounts independently audited. In fact all UK MEPs other than those from Ukip have had their accounts audited.
These things take time, be patient.
That's how the "got" Al Capone in the end.
And Mrs May will no doubt be delighted!

Well innocent until proven guilty and all that, so we must give him the benefit of the doubt. . We must also let the judiciary do its work and then we shall see in due course.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well innocent until proven guilty and all that. We must let the judiciary do its work and then we shall see in due course.

Very amusing and up to your usual standard, your efforts to provide sport by defending the indefensible are greatly appreciated, power to the people and all that tillson.
I presume you are up to speed with this?
"
Theresa May launches excoriating attack on Deloitte for 'touting for business' with leaked Brexit memo as Boris Johnson hints UK will leave customs union"
Good old Boris now there's a man of integrity .
Apologies, I lapsed into hysterical laughter again, wasn't he something to do with Brexit? or is that just a rumour?
A hint from Boris, eh? is he allowed to say anything?
Whenever I see him my mind goes back to the antics of the Emu and Rod Hull.
After all who else could make a song and dance about the Menace of Turkey getting into the EU and then change sides and promise to help them get in?
They don't make men of integrity like that anymore.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Telegraph
"Mr Farage, who claimed he had been "bombarded" with calls from businesses seeking his help to strike up a relationship with the Trump administration,"
Thank heavens he is not in it for personal gain or advantage, such a nice man.

 

[oldgroaner]

The leaked memo we have been talking about today suggested the Government would have to recruit 30,000 new civil servants to deal with the Brexit negotiations.
A government fool managed to completely get his wires crossed about the memo.
""This gloomy memo carries all the hallmarks of the campaign we know is in progress to defy the will of the British people."
The exact opposite is true! it is intended to speed up May by kicking her backside.
What a bunch of pillocks!
Murdoch is getting impatient!
"From the Telegraph

 

[oldgroaner]

Telegraph again
"
'Britain could face £52bn Brexit bill'
Brussels may demand up to 40-60 billion euros (£34-52 billion) as an "exit bill" from the UK, to cover unpaid budget commitments, pension liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects.

The Financial Times said the sum - equivalent to around three to five years' worth of UK contributions to EU budgets - was part of a negotiating position being drawn up by the European Commission ahead of formal talks under Article 50 of the EU treaties, expected to lead to Brexit in 2019."

 

[oldgroaner]

Farage has made a true statement (right at the end of this rubbish)
"
Farage: Britain's ambassador to US should be sacked
Nigel Farage has called for Sir Kim Darroch, Britain’s ambassador to the US, to be sacked. He told Sky News:

"I would have thought it’s obvious [that Darroch should be sacked]. He’s part of the old regime. He’s a fanatical Europhile, he’s part of the old regime, his worldview and the worldview of the Trump team are going to be diametrically opposed. I would have thought it would be more sensible to put someone there who is likely to get on with team Trump."

Asked if he fancied the job himself, he added: "I don’t think I’m the ambassadorial type. Whatever talents or flaws I’ve got, I’m not sure diplomacy is necessarily at the top of my list of skills."

How very true! but you have to ask why is he putting himself forward to act as one?
Oh well, it was just another lie after all.

 

[gray198]

just in from BBC news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37988095

 

[Kudoscycles]

It looks like that May has accepted that she will lose the appeal against her using the Royal Prerogative to trigger Article 50. What a waste of our money,the lawyers must be making a fortune.
She now says she is going to introduce a 3 line bill,as simple as possible asking parliament for permission to trigger A50. But will parliament accept a simple bill,effectively giving her a blank cheque,they surely are going to want some basic details,the Lords similar.
Deloitte suggested that the government are short of staff,maybe she will have to draft such a bill herself...the 3 brexiteers will obviously be too busy.
KudosDave

 

[derf]

just in from BBC news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37988095

interesting, this
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10658266/ron-dennis-relinquishes-role-as-mclaren-chairman-and-chief-executive
by the way is very likely part of a paving of the way for a Chinese sovereign wealth fund buyout. now that the pound is weak, many uk assets are relatively cheap. there is a fine line between "invest in" and "buy out", brexit is accompanied more by a selling of the family silver than an investing in the family business.

 

[gray198]

interesting, this
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10658266/ron-dennis-relinquishes-role-as-mclaren-chairman-and-chief-executive
by the way is very likely part of a paving of the way for a Chinese sovereign wealth fund buyout. now that the pound is weak, many uk assets are relatively cheap. there is a fine line between "invest in" and "buy out", brexit is accompanied more by a selling of the family silver than an investing in the family business.

thought one of the usual suspects would have to put a negative spin on good news

 

[oldgroaner]

thought one of the usual suspects would have to put a negative spin on good news

Why didn't you read the article? He said free movement of people are essential otherwise they will not be happy.
Some of the investment could be at risk
Do pay attention and read past the first couple of words

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[oldtom]

just in from BBC news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37988095

I note the point about open borders which doesn't quite gel with the Brexidiot notion. I am also conscious of Google's position on paying their fair share of tax in the UK. You may remember this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/google-boss-im-very-proud-of-our-tax-avoidance-scheme-8411974.html

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

I note the point about open borders which doesn't quite gel with the Brexidiot notion. I am also conscious of Google's position on paying their fair share of tax in the UK. You may remember this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/google-boss-im-very-proud-of-our-tax-avoidance-scheme-8411974.html

Tom

Oh Tom don't go confusing a brexit fan when he thinks he has found something shiny to gloat over they don't do facts remember.
And farage is popular because he dodged taxes didn't he?[emoji1]

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[flecc]

thought one of the usual suspects would have to put a negative spin on good news

Well I couldn't see much positive in that story, A one-time UK company now wholly controlled by a Saudi-Arabian born Frenchman and a Bahreini sovereign wealth company with the English founder thrown out and losing all influence.

What can I celebrate in that?
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