Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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What exactly is this nest to which you refer?
I'm sure you can work that out, poor Nigel will be needing another source of income which requires no work (Hence the Description Nest) to replace the "Gravy Train" that he did so little work on with the EU and was rewarded so handsomely for.
It's not as if he has any talents, apart from smoking and drinking and being vulgar and loud in company is it, so the poor man would find it hard to adapt to having to do a job involving any work.
 

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I'm sure you can work that out, poor Nigel will be needing another source of income which requires no work (Hence the Description Nest) to replace the "Gravy Train" that he did so little work on with the EU and was rewarded so handsomely for.
It's not as if he has any talents, apart from smoking and drinking and being vulgar and loud in company is it, so the poor man would find it hard to adapt to having to do a job involving any work.
team nigel is still at it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/14/exclusive-donald-trumps-new-chief-strategist-steve-bannon-will-c/
it will be interesting to see how this pans out, more high court decision putting trumped up (awful pun) clown back in his box, or indeed the start of all those who start sentences with "I'm not a racist but.."'s ugly little fantasies getting legs?
 

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team nigel is still at it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/14/exclusive-donald-trumps-new-chief-strategist-steve-bannon-will-c/
it will be interesting to see how this pans out, more high court decision putting trumped up (awful pun) clown back in his box, or indeed the start of all those who start sentences with "I'm not a racist but.."'s ugly little fantasies getting legs?
The Liam Fox connection is interesting too.
Amazing when you think about it was this subversive element has been up to.
 
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This should cheer tillson up
From the Express
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FULL STEAM AHEAD FOR BREXIT: Blow for Remoaners as Labour to SNUB plot to thwart EU exit"

Lets get on with it and see what happens!
And the Mail?
"We don't need you, Nigel! Theresa May DISMISSES calls to use Farage as a go-between with Donald Trump amid hints she could meet billionaire BEFORE he takes over as US president "

Not so happy with Mr Toad it seems

 
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team nigel is still at it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/14/exclusive-donald-trumps-new-chief-strategist-steve-bannon-will-c/
it will be interesting to see how this pans out, more high court decision putting trumped up (awful pun) clown back in his box, or indeed the start of all those who start sentences with "I'm not a racist but.."'s ugly little fantasies getting legs?
Theresa May is a fool to reject Nigel Farage's connections with Donald Trump. He could be immensely useful to both her and the British government. His statesman like performance should be an example to the government, not something they should deride, snub and be rude about.

It surprises me that you and OG are so negative about Farage. Isn't your main objection to BREXIT the damage which you perceive will happen to our economy? Yet you will, without a moments hesitation, reject Nigel's help to build on our relationship with the USA and the potential trade benefits which come with it. All because of prejudices which you hold against Nigel Farage.
 
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When one considers that people outside of the UK get to read or hear UK news, how embarrassing it is that a damning leaked government memo should make the BBC news pages on the internet.

The embarrassing part is in the fact that the memo reveals there is still no 'plan' with regard to 'Brexit'. Incredibly, the memo, dated Nov 7th, reveals that an extra 30,000 staff may be required in order to do.......what exactly, I am unclear about.

Predictably, a government spokesman has said, it "didn't recognise" the claims made in the memo. Well, they would say that, wouldn't they! So, someone just made it up then? It's a lie?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

On the same day as this bombshell makes the front pages, we get to hear about the latest extension plans for HS2, otherwise known as 'very large white elephant'. £56bn is the media figure for this less than universally popular plan and I have a real difficulty understanding how that will ever prove to be either VFM or will generate such business that its cost can ever be justified.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37981840

Well, that's austerity sorted then!

Tom
 
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all they try to do is damage limitation.
it seems that most members of the cabinet, the parliament and the general voters are either reluctant remainers or reluctant brexiters.
 
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When one considers that people outside of the UK get to read or hear UK news, how embarrassing it is that a damning leaked government memo should make the BBC news pages on the internet.

The embarrassing part is in the fact that the memo reveals there is still no 'plan' with regard to 'Brexit'. Incredibly, the memo, dated Nov 7th, reveals that an extra 30,000 staff may be required in order to do.......what exactly, I am unclear about.

Predictably, a government spokesman has said, it "didn't recognise" the claims made in the memo. Well, they would say that, wouldn't they! So, someone just made it up then? It's a lie?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

On the same day as this bombshell makes the front pages, we get to hear about the latest extension plans for HS2, otherwise known as 'very large white elephant'. £56bn is the media figure for this less than universally popular plan and I have a real difficulty understanding how that will ever prove to be either VFM or will generate such business that its cost can ever be justified.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37981840

Well, that's austerity sorted then!

Tom
Oh Tom, what have you done?

The source of this "leaked" information is The Times Newspaper. The Times is a publication owned by News Corp of which Rupert Murdoch is the Executive Chairman.

In the past, you have attacked Rupert Murdoch, The Times and News Corp newspapers with both spite and venom, labeling them, amongst other things, liars & purveyors of racist material. You have also accused them of deception and misleading the public. You have also levelled similar, but slightly more diluted, accusations at the BBC.

I find your hypocrisy hysterically funny when at the very first opportunity, you stumble across a snippet of news which dovetails perfectly with your stubborn political views, you are prepared to preach from the Gospel according to Saint Murdoch. A text, in this instance, published and promoted by none other than the BBC. How sweet is that?

You see Tom, this is why the Nigel Farage's and Donald Trump's prevail. You look down your perceived superior nose at anyone who gives any credibility to either of these two. You prescribe to the underlings where they should and should not glean their news from and what, "is best for them." And all the time.........well what can I say.

This is why you and the Diane Abbotts and the Shami Chakrabartis will never have any influence at all. Contrary to your condemnation that everyone who has a different view to you is thick or stupid, they are not, they can see through you and they see hypocrisy and they don't like what they see. #wellandtrulybusted
 
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Theresa May is a fool to reject Nigel Farage's connections with Donald Trump. He could be immensely useful to both her and the British government. His statesman like performance should be an example to the government, not something they should deride, snub and be rude about.

It surprises me that you and OG are so negative about Farage. Isn't your main objection to BREXIT the damage which you perceive will happen to our economy? Yet you will, without a moments hesitation, reject Nigel's help to build on our relationship with the USA and the potential trade benefits which come with it. All because of prejudices which you hold against Nigel Farage.
we didn't vote for nigel to be our democratic government representative. we didn't do this because the majority of the country do not agree with his UKIP agenda. I gather you would like to suspend democracy for the sake of furthering a UKIP agenda. I don't: I would rather live in an impoverished but more or less democratic and principled society than one that's affluent but undemocratic and unprincipled. I'll get off the soap box now.
 

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Oh Tom, what have you done?

The source of this "leaked" information is The Times Newspaper. The Times is a publication owned by News Corp of which Rupert Murdoch is the Executive Chairman.

In the past, you have attacked Rupert Murdoch, The Times and News Corp newspapers with both spite and venom, labeling them, amongst other things, liars & purveyors of racist material. You have also accused them of deception and misleading the public. You have also levelled similar, but slightly more diluted, accusations at the BBC.

I find your hypocrisy hysterically funny when at the very first opportunity, you stumble across a snippet of news which dovetails perfectly with your stubborn political views, you are prepared to preach from the Gospel according to Saint Murdoch. A text, in this instance, published and promoted by none other than the BBC. How sweet is that?

You see Tom, this is why the Nigel Farage's and Donald Trump's prevail. You look down your perceived superior nose at anyone who gives any credibility to either of these two. You prescribe to the underlings where they should and should not glean their news from and what, "is best for them." And all the time.........well what can I say.

This is why you and the Diane Abbotts and the Shami Chakrabartis will never have any influence at all. Contrary to your condemnation that everyone who has a different view to you is thick or stupid, they are not, they can see through you and they see hypocrisy and they don't like what they see. #wellandtrulybusted
tom's post touched a bit of a chord did it? I'm afraid nothing you can say will stop the electorate from seeing empress brexit means brexit is not wearing any clothes. on the bright side (and apologies for stretching a metaphor) farage is wearing even less.
 

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Theresa May is a fool to reject Nigel Farage's connections with Donald Trump. He could be immensely useful to both her and the British government. His statesman like performance should be an example to the government, not something they should deride, snub and be rude about.

It surprises me that you and OG are so negative about Farage. Isn't your main objection to BREXIT the damage which you perceive will happen to our economy? Yet you will, without a moments hesitation, reject Nigel's help to build on our relationship with the USA and the potential trade benefits which come with it. All because of prejudices which you hold against Nigel Farage.
Good grief you still refuse to see what is happening before your eyes?
Farage is making fools of you all and because you imagine he is on "Your side" you will find an excuse no matter what the odious traitor does, he is bought and paid for by Aaron Banks and anything he does is intended to aid the agenda of the rich.
But carry on, let's see this farce devolve into a national tragedy, it is after all unavoidable, and the only way you will ever see the truth.
What happened to Unelected EU officials?
Farage is electing himself ,even though he has been told he isn't wanted by the duly elected Government.
Who needs them any more? so long as you appeal to a baying mob then you are in.
Welcome to Aaron Banks Corp (Formerly the UK) now under new management.
Forget any ideas about Democracy, they no longer apply as the population appear to only have faith in mob rule.
You are going to get the Government you deserve.
Remember Farages Famous line about "if we don't get brexit you will see anger that you wouldn't believe?"
Well you are going to get your Brexit.
And the anger afterwards will make his threat seem very mild if things turn out badly.
What a situation to be in, make a success out of an impossible situation or face the wrath of the public from ALL SIDES.
The voters are expecting thing to get a lot better, and really only the idiot fringe are going to stay "onside" as the going inevitably gets tough.
Pretty soon they will find the enthusiasm has gone to be replaced by a feeling of betrayal when it all turns into a big failure.
And all of this on the basis of an opinion poll
Nothing More.
 
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Oh Tom, what have you done?

The source of this "leaked" information is The Times Newspaper. The Times is a publication owned by News Corp of which Rupert Murdoch is the Executive Chairman.

In the past, you have attacked Rupert Murdoch, The Times and News Corp newspapers with both spite and venom, labeling them, amongst other things, liars & purveyors of racist material. You have also accused them of deception and misleading the public. You have also levelled similar, but slightly more diluted, accusations at the BBC.

I find your hypocrisy hysterically funny when at the very first opportunity, you stumble across a snippet of news which dovetails perfectly with your stubborn political views, you are prepared to preach from the Gospel according to Saint Murdoch. A text, in this instance, published and promoted by none other than the BBC. How sweet is that?

You see Tom, this is why the Nigel Farage's and Donald Trump's prevail. You look down your perceived superior nose at anyone who gives any credibility to either of these two. You prescribe to the underlings where they should and should not glean their news from and what, "is best for them." And all the time.........well what can I say.

This is why you and the Diane Abbotts and the Shami Chakrabartis will never have any influence at all. Contrary to your condemnation that everyone who has a different view to you is thick or stupid, they are not, they can see through you and they see hypocrisy and they don't like what they see. #wellandtrulybusted
Nice line in BS you have there, but the leak was intentional as a means of Murdoch and co putting pressure on May to deliver, an you really have no answer other than the usual diversionary attacks, do you?
Try harder, use a cogent argument.
 
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The voters are expecting thing to get a lot better, and really only the idiot fringe are going to stay "onside" as the going inevitably gets tough.
Pretty soon they will find the enthusiasm has gone to be replaced by a feeling of betrayal when it all turns into a big failure.
And all of this on the basis of an opinion poll
Nothing More.
well said, thank you OG.
 
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oldgroaner

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well said, thank you OG.
My pleasure, unfortunately as someone recently famously said "We are talking to closed minds here."
Brexit appears harder to give up than smoking is for some, but just as dangerous to the self abuser.
 
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Good grief you still refuse to see what is happening before your eyes?
Farage is making fools of you all and because you imagine he is on "Your side" you will find an excuse no matter what the odious traitor does, he is bought and paid for by Aaron Banks and anything he does is intended to aid the agenda of the rich.
But carry on, let's see this farce devolve into a national tragedy, it is after all unavoidable, and the only way you will ever see the truth.
What happened to Unelected EU officials?
Farage is electing himself ,even though he has been told he isn't wanted by the duly elected Government.
Who needs them any more? so long as you appeal to a baying mob then you are in.
Welcome to Aaron Banks Corp (Formerly the UK) now under new management.
Forget any ideas about Democracy, they no longer apply as the population appear to only have faith in mob rule.
You are going to get the Government you deserve.
Remember Farages Famous line about "if we don't get brexit you will see anger that you wouldn't believe?"
Well you are going to get your Brexit.
And the anger afterwards will make his threat seem very mild if things turn out badly.
What a situation to be in, make a success out of an impossible situation or face the wrath of the public from ALL SIDES.
The voters are expecting thing to get a lot better, and really only the idiot fringe are going to stay "onside" as the going inevitably gets tough.
Pretty soon they will find the enthusiasm has gone to be replaced by a feeling of betrayal when it all turns into a big failure.
And all of this on the basis of an opinion poll
Nothing More.
OG I know we had a super moon last night but this goes beyond Lunar lunacy. I think you need to get your tin foil hat out again to protect yourself from the Brexit satellite's mind altering rays.

The fact that you refer to Nigel Farage as a traitor is a good example of your flawed judgement. I don't think that holding a friendly meeting with the foreign head of state of one of the U.K.'s allies can be described as an act of treachery. There doesn't appear to be any middle ground with you, it's either all or nothing, hero or traitor, intellect or idiot, gullible or wise and so on. The same comes across with your opinions on Brexit, total disaster, no remote possibility that something good could come out of it. Farage's meeting with Trump, treasonous, act of treachery, a traitor. Not a hint of act knowledge meant that this friendly meeting could mend bridges that have been damaged by mainstream UK politicians during their acts of complacency.
 

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OG I know we had a super moon last night but this goes beyond Lunar lunacy. I think you need to get your tin foil hat out again to protect yourself from the Brexit satellite's mind altering rays.

The fact that you refer to Nigel Farage as a traitor is a good example of your flawed judgement. I don't think that holding a friendly meeting with the foreign head of state of one of the U.K.'s allies can be described as an act of treachery. There doesn't appear to be any middle ground with you, it's either all or nothing, hero or traitor, intellect or idiot, gullible or wise and so on. The same comes across with your opinions on Brexit, total disaster, no remote possibility that something good could come out of it. Farage's meeting with Trump, treasonous, act of treachery, a traitor. Not a hint of act knowledge meant that this friendly meeting could mend bridges that have been damaged by mainstream UK politicians during their acts of complacency.
I won't need a foil hat, but you had better take note with more attention than you have been paying to the actions of this renegade politician.
The fact that you trust a man who admits to stealing £200,000 pounds from accommodation expenses makes your judgement of character highly subject, and his trustworthiness none existent.
His excuse "others do it" with that attitude he is capable of anything.

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