Now who's being picky? you weren't supposed to notice that, you naughty flecc you!
Brexit, for once some facts.
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not this time. There is no reason for brexit tory MPs to change their mind, 'we won, you lost'.
The tory's instinct is 'to take back control' - that has not changed much over the last 14 months.
What is surprising is that the 4% margin has hardly moved in that time despite support for the tories has much reduced.
But we don't make Aluminium any more and only enough steel for refugee's tent pegs, so it looks like we'll have to be having a go at the old Parish railings, tram lines and lamp posts again, and revive the old "Hand in your old pans and utensils to make Spitfires!" (suitably reworded of course)
Make do and mend
Ah the joys of Brexit
Brexit: the age of the scrap man
In something like the words of the old song
Twas on a Monday morning the Scrapman came to call
with his hacksaw and his cutting torch,
With his Trumpet and his rattle merry Scrap Man's songs, and all....
For it all makes work for the working man to do......
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Which surely must make one wonder how truthful that is, or is it just another Fake Fact?
I think it was from natcen, Prof Curtice.
I came across it last week. It's part of the study they do with 30,000 voters that they track for changes in British attitudes on brexit.
Hoover used to manufacture in Scotland. Then they missold some plane tickets. That went well.
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I passed the factory last month, it appears to be a care home now I think, unless I have the wrong factory in mind.
natcen is well respected in academic circles. Prof Curtice was pretty accurate in tracking support for brexit in the period leading to EURef. On the night, he warned us all that the result was extremely close and brexit may have a slight edge. It turned out that he was entirely right.
I'm really not impressed by that credential.
Any bloody fool could have forecast that the Brexit side would win, you don't have to be intelligent to come to that conclusion.
I know because I did!
(down flecc! down I say!) remember who's side you're on.
There are lies damned lies and surveys, here is another
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A majority of the British public support the free movement of citizens to live, work, study and do business anywhere in the EU, according to a new survey mapping public opinion across Europe.
It comes after a spokesman for Theresa May confirmed earlier this week that free movement would end when Britain formally leaves the EU in March 2019 – the deadline set for the conclusion of Brexit talks.
But the barometer of public opinion – commissioned by the EU Commission – appears to contradict the commonly held view that British people are not in favour of free movement.
The survey suggests that up to 70 per cent of those interviewed in the UK said they were for the statement: “The free movement of EU citizens who can live, work, study and do business anywhere in the EU”. Just 9 per cent replied “don’t know” while 21 per cent disagreed.
But despite the clear majority support for free movement – one of the EU’s “four freedoms” – Britain still has the second lowest level of support out of all the member states. The survey shows that a staggering 94 per cent of respondents in the Baltic states of Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania were for the free movement of EU citizens anywhere in the continent.
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A majority of the British public support the free movement of citizens to live, work, study and do business anywhere in the EU, according to a new survey mapping public opinion across Europe.
It comes after a spokesman for Theresa May confirmed earlier this week that free movement would end when Britain formally leaves the EU in March 2019 – the deadline set for the conclusion of Brexit talks.
But the barometer of public opinion – commissioned by the EU Commission – appears to contradict the commonly held view that British people are not in favour of free movement.
The survey suggests that up to 70 per cent of those interviewed in the UK said they were for the statement: “The free movement of EU citizens who can live, work, study and do business anywhere in the EU”. Just 9 per cent replied “don’t know” while 21 per cent disagreed.
But despite the clear majority support for free movement – one of the EU’s “four freedoms” – Britain still has the second lowest level of support out of all the member states. The survey shows that a staggering 94 per cent of respondents in the Baltic states of Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania were for the free movement of EU citizens anywhere in the continent.
1943 - 2017........the only difference is the date. Otherwise, the tory scum continue their quest to control, hurt and humiliate those not part of their disgusting tribe.
Tom
Tom
Woosh....you cannot be serious....January 2016 was before the referendum and the other reference refers to those who prefer Davis or Boris or Rees-Mogg to May,it is not relevant to those who would vote pro or anti Brexit in an open vote.
You could have selected that only 114 MP's voted against the triggering of Art 50 but that was a whip vote by both May and Corbyn.
The only possible open Tory vote was that when May came to power....both Boris and Leadsom would have only got 40 votes,May was seen as a moderate Brexiter and received the majority of the votes,which caused Leadsom to drop out.
There is clearly a large number of Tory MP's that are unhappy with the hard Brexit that May had selected. We also know there are a large number of Labour MP's who are not keen on Brexit.
But we will only know how many would be keen on a second referendum if May and Corbyn let the house have a free vote....if May is a democrat she must let the house have a free vote and make no recommendations herself.
KudosDave
Sadly Dave, tories are not into democracy. They subscribe only to a neatly engineered systematic coalition of oligarchy and plutocracy which they use their propaganda department to pass off under the formidable heading known as a 'Monarchical Democracy', sometimes simply, 'Constitutional Democracy'.
Tom
.. being able to reduce the weight of a product from 25 to 18 is a significant saving, and would impact everywhere on the supply chain. So that would be good news. Follow the analysis carried out in the design excercise in re engineering the Coco cola cans in the 1970 onwards .. with large quantities it matters
people don't change their mind unless some catastrophy happens.
here is the dichotomy of British attitude:
you are not going to convince 70% of the voters that free trade = free movement and that these two are not reconcilable.
source:
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/analysis/what-do-voters-want-from-brexit/
Woosh....oh no....I cannot believe you have joined the 'yah boo,we won,you lost,now deal with it' brigade. There was a classic Brexiter at one of the auto shows demanding to know why a product had gone up in price so much....I explained it was a Euro sourced part and the big price rise was caused by Brexit...he shouted expletives at me.....bet you were a f....... Remainer, 'we won you f.......lost'
I asked him what he had won,he looked perplexed....I explained 'if you won the lottery they give you cash,if you won the olympics you get a medal,so what have you won'.....he had no answer,he clearly didn't have a clue what he had won.
But I tell you what your vote has lost.....about 40 quid because that is the increase post Brexit. He stormed off shouting expletives at anyone who looked at him.
His mate came back half an hour later and bought the part,he couldn't buy it anywhere else.
I tell the anecdote because when Brexit is finally taken away from these guys I worry what their reaction is going to be,their bit of power has been robbed off them and situation normal will be maintained.
Where you get your 4% margin to Brexit I just don't know,the reason why Brexiters won't want a second referendum is that they are worried they will lose badly,now that Boris and Gove's lies are truthfully exposed.
KudosDave
I found the chart for you.
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-remain-a-member-of-the-european-union-or-leave-the-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/
The data was from a Survation poll 15-July-2017.
Leave: 48%
Remain: 47%
don't know: 6%
poll after poll, people's views haven't changed much
You may be right,the catalyst for people to change their mind may have to be post Brexit....when benefits fall to below poverty levels and the NHS is bust and their precious 2 weeks holiday in Spain is unaffordable,when Hammonds tax take is terrible and then people can't take it any more and Corbyn gets in and puts corporation tax back to 26% and the tax take gets even worse....is that a big enough catastrophe to make Brexiters change their mind,albeit too late.people don't change their mind unless some catastrophy happens.
here is the dichotomy of British attitude:
you are not going to convince 70% of the voters that free trade = free movement and that these two are not reconcilable.
source:
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/analysis/what-do-voters-want-from-brexit/
Brexiters are masochists at heart,bring on the pain.
KudosDave
no, I haven't. I voted remain halfheartedly.
I prefer the EU if push comes to shove but I support soft brexit.