... Why not and so do we ... We are both EU countries we both have educated citizens , we both accept the ECJ. It is actually the size and type of agency which would fit into Ireland. , Small, bioscience related pharma concious.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Dan,
not sure of the detail, but what was that affair down South that had you people going to the polls until you got it right - the Lisbon Treaty or somewhat wasn`t it?
Didn`t the EU in fact warn you after the first vote to make sure you got it right second time??
not sure of the detail, but what was that affair down South that had you people going to the polls until you got it right - the Lisbon Treaty or somewhat wasn`t it?
Didn`t the EU in fact warn you after the first vote to make sure you got it right second time??
All EU countries accept ECJ rulings,,, was this not one of the prime reasons why the UK wanted out?
.. no didn't warn us. No threats , but it was a shock to their and our systems.
Tommie, I am not saying that everything and every action of the EU and particularly the major powers is paternally benign... We got rightly shafted over the bailout of Irish finances , but on the whole....
EU laws are always framed with us involved during our years of membership our government has been party to, accepted, proposed, and chosen to implement 97% of the laws passed.
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What a perfect fit that would be and probably very popular with the current staff as some may well be able to fill some of the positions in Ireland.
If the 'Brexidiots' are intent on proceeding with this very public hara-kiri, that a country, whose people have been so badly treated through history as the Irish by Britain should benefit from Britain's folly, has a lovely irony to it.
Tom
I suppose as our Canadian chancellor is probably an expert on things economic and financial, it's not worth listening to anything he has to say on the 'Brexit' topic......didn't someone say we don't need any more experts?
I suppose by now it's futile to imagine the 'Brexidiots' could be persuaded that there is no upside to look forward to - it's all downhill now and ordinary folk are going to be a lot poorer once we get beyond the point of no return.
It was entirely predictable from the very start that the UK was never going to magically become a re-born affluent paradise as a result of 'Brexit' - only idiots couldn't see it!
What the idiots actually did was to vote to make themselves and everyone else in the country poorer. What an act of patriotism that was!
Tom
I suppose by now it's futile to imagine the 'Brexidiots' could be persuaded that there is no upside to look forward to - it's all downhill now and ordinary folk are going to be a lot poorer once we get beyond the point of no return.
It was entirely predictable from the very start that the UK was never going to magically become a re-born affluent paradise as a result of 'Brexit' - only idiots couldn't see it!
What the idiots actually did was to vote to make themselves and everyone else in the country poorer. What an act of patriotism that was!
Tom
I hope all the selfish tory voters paid attention to what this senior High Court judge had to say about the government's policies which permit the appalling state of affairs in regard to vulnerable children and young people and the lack of secure placements for such individuals.
This is a major attack on this tory government and is a hugely serious indictment of a government completely out of touch with the important things which affect ordinary people.
A damning inditement from Sir James Munby, president of the high court’s family division who has sent copies of his report to the Chief Executive Officer of NHS England, to the Secretary of State for the Home Department, to the Secretary of State for Health, to the Secretary of State for Education and to the Secretary of State for Justice...
Some excerpts:
"... This case has demonstrated the inadequacy of the current secure accommodation resources in England and Wales (leading to this local authority having to place in Scotland) and has now gone on to demonstrate the inadequacy of suitable provisions for children with high level of mental health issues, which necessitate assessment and treatment in a secure setting. Placements for vulnerable children and adolescents, be it within secure accommodation of mental health provisions, are a scarce resource.”
"It cannot be right that such a vulnerable child with, a lengthy documented history of the most extreme and determined self harm, should have her medical care plan dictated by an absence of resources, as opposed to her identified needs."
"X is, amongst all her woes, a young person convicted in the Youth Court and a prisoner of the State. As long ago as 1910, a Home Secretary, speaking in the House of Commons, asserted that “The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country.” In modern times the principle has expanded, so that, as is often said, “One of the measures of a civilised society is how well it looks after the most vulnerable members of its society.” If this is the best we can do for X, and others in similar crisis, what right do we, what right do the system, our society and indeed the State itself, have to call ourselves civilised? The honest answer to this question should make us all feel ashamed. For my own part, acutely conscious of my powerlessness – of my inability to do more for X – I feel shame and embarrassment; shame, as a human being, as a citizen and as an agent of the State, embarrassment as President of the Family Division, and, as such, Head of Family Justice, that I can do no more for X.
If, when in eleven days’ time she is released from ZX, we, the system, society, the State, are unable to provide X with the supportive and safe placement she so desperately needs, and if, in consequence, she is enabled to make another attempt on her life, then I can only say, with bleak emphasis: we will have blood on our hands.
My judicial duty, as with every judge in this country, is “to do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm.” There are occasions, and this is one, where doing “right” includes speaking truth to power. The entrance to the Old Bailey, the Central Criminal Court, admonishes those who enter to “Defend the Children of the Poor.” Is less required of the Family Court or of the Family Division of the High Court? I think not."
For the full report:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/…/x-a-child-no-3-2017-ewhc-203…
Tom
This is a major attack on this tory government and is a hugely serious indictment of a government completely out of touch with the important things which affect ordinary people.
A damning inditement from Sir James Munby, president of the high court’s family division who has sent copies of his report to the Chief Executive Officer of NHS England, to the Secretary of State for the Home Department, to the Secretary of State for Health, to the Secretary of State for Education and to the Secretary of State for Justice...
Some excerpts:
"... This case has demonstrated the inadequacy of the current secure accommodation resources in England and Wales (leading to this local authority having to place in Scotland) and has now gone on to demonstrate the inadequacy of suitable provisions for children with high level of mental health issues, which necessitate assessment and treatment in a secure setting. Placements for vulnerable children and adolescents, be it within secure accommodation of mental health provisions, are a scarce resource.”
"It cannot be right that such a vulnerable child with, a lengthy documented history of the most extreme and determined self harm, should have her medical care plan dictated by an absence of resources, as opposed to her identified needs."
"X is, amongst all her woes, a young person convicted in the Youth Court and a prisoner of the State. As long ago as 1910, a Home Secretary, speaking in the House of Commons, asserted that “The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country.” In modern times the principle has expanded, so that, as is often said, “One of the measures of a civilised society is how well it looks after the most vulnerable members of its society.” If this is the best we can do for X, and others in similar crisis, what right do we, what right do the system, our society and indeed the State itself, have to call ourselves civilised? The honest answer to this question should make us all feel ashamed. For my own part, acutely conscious of my powerlessness – of my inability to do more for X – I feel shame and embarrassment; shame, as a human being, as a citizen and as an agent of the State, embarrassment as President of the Family Division, and, as such, Head of Family Justice, that I can do no more for X.
If, when in eleven days’ time she is released from ZX, we, the system, society, the State, are unable to provide X with the supportive and safe placement she so desperately needs, and if, in consequence, she is enabled to make another attempt on her life, then I can only say, with bleak emphasis: we will have blood on our hands.
My judicial duty, as with every judge in this country, is “to do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm.” There are occasions, and this is one, where doing “right” includes speaking truth to power. The entrance to the Old Bailey, the Central Criminal Court, admonishes those who enter to “Defend the Children of the Poor.” Is less required of the Family Court or of the Family Division of the High Court? I think not."
For the full report:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/…/x-a-child-no-3-2017-ewhc-203…
Tom
One of the biggest problems of Brexit is that government is totally committed to Brexit and the NHS,Social Care,Prisons,Customs,HMRC etc etc are all going to pot....despite being blinkered they are also making a mess of Brexit.
The disaster of Grenfell is typical.
God help us if this government has a major crisis to deal with,they neither have the people or expertise to cope.
KudosDave
it can't be helped. TM is ineffectual as a leader, plus, she is between a rock and a hard place.
She should call it a day and let the three brexiteers to fight it out between themselves.
She may come back from holiday and announce a second referendum,to teach the Tory fascists and Corbyn a lesson...if she is going to go down she might as well go down in style.
She may just do that,she surprised all after her last holiday,so who knows what is going through her mind when she is out walking.
You read it here first,hehe.....
KudosDave
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The UK has not insisted that the agency should vacate the UK, it is a decision made by the EU27 of which Ireland is one.
It is perfectly within their rights to come to that decision but they must pay their current and any future bills regarding the lease of the building.
Hang on now, that sounds familiar
Inverse logic? the institution fundamentally has to be on EU territory under ECJ law, our decision to leave the EU forced the EU to relocate it.The UK has not insisted that the agency should vacate the UK, it is a decision made by the EU27 of which Ireland is one.
It is perfectly within their rights to come to that decision but they must pay their current and any future bills regarding the lease of the building.
Hang on now, that sounds familiar
We must have known that unless collectively we are stupid.
Had the Houses of Commons been on French soil we would either have had to move them of accept ECJ law, wouldn't we?
Your argument uses Familiar Brexit logic of seeing things as they want to see and ignoring cogent facts.
The Daily Mail is indulging in old fashioned Right wing articles intended to stir up racial tensions among Brexit supporters with this
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Six million Poles slaughtered by the Nazis. Cities flattened. A population reduced to slaves. As old hatreds shatter EU harmony... no wonder Poland's demanding billions from Germany"
Surely this goes beyond acceptable journalism and into blatant and evil propaganda?
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Six million Poles slaughtered by the Nazis. Cities flattened. A population reduced to slaves. As old hatreds shatter EU harmony... no wonder Poland's demanding billions from Germany"
Surely this goes beyond acceptable journalism and into blatant and evil propaganda?
In a nutshell, the BoE is correct. Brexit does mean, at least for the next 5-10 years, lower growth, weaker pound and higher prices compared to what they would be otherwise.
What the idiots actually did was to vote to make themselves and everyone else in the country poorer. What an act of patriotism that was!
The amplitude of these things: they are estimated at 3%.
Not enough to sink the ship.
and enough to keep this country green a little longer.
When you look at JC's last manifesto, it represents only 6% extra spending and look at the reception. 6% will make a huge difference.
some will say 3% inflation means 3% less rubbish in our streets.
Drill down from this link and I think you might equip yourself with the actual facts about how the agency operates and who funds it - note the opening
paragragh
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/agencies_en
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/agencies_en
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/agencies_en
Having just read through the material on this link: index.jsp, I fail to understand the point you seek to make 'shemozzle999'.
The agency, as is the case with other agencies, is as transparent about its structures, appointments and composition as anyone could wish for.
I think it's important to remember that in a fight, 27 will almost certainly beat one, especially when the 27 have the judges on their side!
Tom
This comment from a senior UK negotiator says it all,even if there was a unanimous will and the best negotiators in the world,neither is fact,the obstacles of us leaving by March 2019 are not surmountable...
'Setting aside its merits, there is a huge practical problem with hard Brexit. Leaving the customs union and the single market requires the UK by March 2019 to negotiate new trade treaties not only with the EU27, but with the 75 other nations with which the EU has free or preferential trade agreements, if British trade is not to take an immediate and substantial hit. Between them, these 102 countries include most of the trading world, and account for more than 60% of UK exports of goods and services'.....quote
Woosh,Shemozzle how do we overcome this lot ???,dont forget May and Co are still committed to leaving the single market and the customs union.
KudosDave
'Setting aside its merits, there is a huge practical problem with hard Brexit. Leaving the customs union and the single market requires the UK by March 2019 to negotiate new trade treaties not only with the EU27, but with the 75 other nations with which the EU has free or preferential trade agreements, if British trade is not to take an immediate and substantial hit. Between them, these 102 countries include most of the trading world, and account for more than 60% of UK exports of goods and services'.....quote
Woosh,Shemozzle how do we overcome this lot ???,dont forget May and Co are still committed to leaving the single market and the customs union.
KudosDave