Mr Corbyn supports brexit, he can't do many things he promised while the UK stays in the EU. He'll put up a show to say the tories could have done more to protect jobs but when it comes to voting on the deal, he won't vote any deal down.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I wouldn't be that confident. The population have already swung against Brexit by a far bigger margin than Brexit won by, if the swing got much bigger Corbyn might see it as a winning opportunity in a general election.
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The thickos who have posted here previously about the BBC being awash with 'lefty loonies' should note that Robbie Gibb, (nothing to do with the Bee Gees), has just been appointed by Theresa May as her new Director of Communications.
Where does Mr Gibb stand in terms of the political spectrum? How about starting your search a fair way to the right of Genghis Khan and Joseph Stalin - keep heading right and you'll get to him!
The dear old chap saw fit to tweet the news like this:
I doubt very much if his replacement will be anyone from the ranks of the socialist movement.
Tom
Where does Mr Gibb stand in terms of the political spectrum? How about starting your search a fair way to the right of Genghis Khan and Joseph Stalin - keep heading right and you'll get to him!
The dear old chap saw fit to tweet the news like this:
I doubt very much if his replacement will be anyone from the ranks of the socialist movement.
Tom
Well there I was thinking Stalin was a communist... As for Ghengis , not sure where his political allegiance was...not a good analogy Tom...
as soon as the EU agrees in principle to a transitional period, the Pound will recover, when that happens, EU workers will come back because the pay will be better. It will become clear for any government during that transitional period that a customs union is the best compromise, most likely to win consent from both sides of the divide.
I agree a customs union is the best compromise and think we should have made that clear at the outset. But I have my doubts whether this present government will realise and accept that. They still have a "Walk out if we don't get our way" mentality.
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It's rather sad that we find ourselves talking about a compromise when I believe the measure by which we should judge any 'deal' is to compare and cost it with what we continue to enjoy at this moment.
Tom
Under this vicious tory government, we are headed straight for all the worst nightmares described by George Orwell and other great thinkers of his generation.
We need socialist government of the people, by the people, for the people, now more than ever in our history.
Tom
We need socialist government of the people, by the people, for the people, now more than ever in our history.
Tom
Depends where you get your information from:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/15/two-thirds-voters-now-support-brexit/
New poll? that was published on 15 May 2017 • 2:12pm
That's nothing in the Express the polls give Brexit 105% support.
Was Stalin communist? strange that one can read many things about this vile creature, including this for instance
"Lenin came along and twisted the meaning of the word socialism to equate it with state capitalism. Stalin only built on the inherently authoritarian state capitalist model that Lenin introduced."
From the Guardian this morning
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UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market
CBI and other groups to urge ministers to change their Brexit strategy to allow more time for a long-term trade deal
Such a comprehensive transition phase would almost certainly require temporary adherence to EU rules on freedom of movement, accepting jurisdiction of the European court of justice and a ban on implementing trade deals elsewhere. But Brussels officials are likely to also demand an agreement in principle on the shape of the eventual EU trade deal, which could lead to such concessions becoming permanent.
Of course the question is: is that going to be seen as to the advantage of the EU?
It will give them more time to re organise and diminish any reliance on us I suppose, and really I don't see the advantage to us in that, it just seems like drawing out the period of decline.
This is of course the hidden barb from the Brexit voters point of view
" which could lead to such concessions becoming permanent."
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UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market
CBI and other groups to urge ministers to change their Brexit strategy to allow more time for a long-term trade deal
Such a comprehensive transition phase would almost certainly require temporary adherence to EU rules on freedom of movement, accepting jurisdiction of the European court of justice and a ban on implementing trade deals elsewhere. But Brussels officials are likely to also demand an agreement in principle on the shape of the eventual EU trade deal, which could lead to such concessions becoming permanent.
Of course the question is: is that going to be seen as to the advantage of the EU?
It will give them more time to re organise and diminish any reliance on us I suppose, and really I don't see the advantage to us in that, it just seems like drawing out the period of decline.
This is of course the hidden barb from the Brexit voters point of view
" which could lead to such concessions becoming permanent."
Consistency has never been your strong suit, has it?
First you hadn't voted, then after all sorts of strange assertions and many attacks both strident and not very complimentary on both the EU institutions and it's representatives, it turned out that you had voted leave after all.
After that revelation there was an interlude where you fully supported the idea of Brexit.
Now, when things are rapidly going downhill for Brexit we get this
"How many times do I have to tell you I,m not really bothered one way or other about Brexit. Yes, I,d rather leave"
Not really bothered? I must have missed that somehow, apparently repeatedly too!
What next? I was passionately against the idea all along?
let us contrast that with oldtom's attitude, and my own for that matter.
Have you detected any wavering in our convictions that Brexit is a bad idea?
QUOTE="oldgroaner, post: 384628, member: 15142"]New poll? that was published on 15 May 2017 • 2:12pm
That's nothing in the Express the polls give Brexit 105% support.[/QUOTE]
There is only only one poll that is relevant to the title of this thread.
It was conducted last year.
It was called the referendum.
So to summarize this thread "Brexit, for once some facts" - we are leaving the EU.
That's nothing in the Express the polls give Brexit 105% support.
[/QUOTE]There is only only one poll that is relevant to the title of this thread.
It was conducted last year.
It was called the referendum.
So to summarize this thread "Brexit, for once some facts" - we are leaving the EU.
There is only only one poll that is relevant to the title of this thread.QUOTE="oldgroaner, post: 384628, member: 15142"]New poll? that was published on 15 May 2017 • 2:12pm
That's nothing in the Express the polls give Brexit 105% support.
It was conducted last year.
It was called the referendum.
So to summarize this thread "Brexit, for once some facts" - we are leaving the EU.[/QUOTE]
It is not a FACT as it has not been accomplished yet, it is in FACT merely a strong likelihood, hopefully it will happen, and a lesson learned therebye.
At last, Mrs May has decided to seek expert advice on exiting Europe quickly:
Tom
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Yes, and it is hard to see that this is a good option, as it simply allows businesses more time to "up ship" as it where to the EU, while slowing the impact on our economy down, without actually ending up as a net benefit.
We really need to choose one way or another while retaining what we have left in the way of resources, as we will only get weaker the way things are going.
Frankly the public will not accept this uncertainty indefinitely, there will be an adverse reaction
The pity is that no one seems to have provided a safe outlet for those feelings, such as a campaign to either negate Brexit or re apply for EU membership.
I suggest a campaign slogan for them
"Let's BrexitBrexit and spend the money on the NHS instead"
Now that would look good on the side of a Red Bus, perhaps we could ask the ex leave.EU defector who inspired the first version to organise that?
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From the Independent
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Climate change not an objective for UK at G20 as Theresa May meets Donald Trump
The Prime Minister has not made the environment one of her four key priorities
The Prime Minister has been accused of a “dereliction of duty” after revealing that climate change has been excluded from her top priorities at this weekend’s G20 summit.
Theresa May left it off her list of key objectives despite the issue likely becoming the central task of the meeting of world leaders, following Donald Trump’s decision to quit the Paris Agreement on climate change.
Instead, Ms May will focus on cutting off terrorist financing, global migration, modern slavery and “making the global economy work for everyone”.
If you ignore the environment, you have to wonder how the global economy will benefit the few survivors, who are likely to end up in a global migration themselves!
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Climate change not an objective for UK at G20 as Theresa May meets Donald Trump
The Prime Minister has not made the environment one of her four key priorities
The Prime Minister has been accused of a “dereliction of duty” after revealing that climate change has been excluded from her top priorities at this weekend’s G20 summit.
Theresa May left it off her list of key objectives despite the issue likely becoming the central task of the meeting of world leaders, following Donald Trump’s decision to quit the Paris Agreement on climate change.
Instead, Ms May will focus on cutting off terrorist financing, global migration, modern slavery and “making the global economy work for everyone”.
If you ignore the environment, you have to wonder how the global economy will benefit the few survivors, who are likely to end up in a global migration themselves!
that is because the margin between the two camps is still too small.
Politicians will react accordingly when the margin is big enough - 40-60.