Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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I see that your politicians don't have a clue about why Greece has financial problems.
Depressingly for the Brexiteers, Greece is now running in financial surplus and the whole of the EU's economy is recovering.

Just as our UK economy is on a downturn and widely agreed to get much worse.
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Woosh

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How could anyone describe this without using the word, 'fascism'?
fascism: extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
I don't find his view extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant.

This man has spoken out over Theresa May's plan to levy fines against the massive internet social media players as part of an anti-terrorism strategy:
Fines are the appropriate punishment against the publishing companies.
 

oldtom

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How quickly does the UK need additional power stations?

This is the view recently from the IMechE:

"Retiring nuclear power stations and a planned coal phase-out could leave the UK facing a huge electricity supply gap by 2025. Britain Needs 30 Gas Plants by 2025 to Fill Power Supply Gap. We haven’t got a prayer of building the plants we need to avert potential calamity in just ten years.”

Interestingly, that comes out at a time when Volvo has announced they intend to have an electric motor in every model by 2019.

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That's why Hinkley Point is so important and foreign governments and major foreign companies have got the UK over a barrel right now. If we imagine a sudden increase in electric cars or part-electric hybrids over the next decade, it's not difficult to see that we may have very difficult times ahead due to both a lack of foresight and a lack of investment in British engineering over the last half-century.

I'm having a real difficulty with the notion that our government does not want to be in the EU yet wants to have free trade deals with major players in the global marketplace but when we need a big construction project to be undertaken, we have to ask other countries, (curiously, in the EU), to perform that work. How are we going to trade successfully when we have so little to offer?

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Woosh

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I'm having a real difficulty with the notion that our government does not want to be in the EU yet wants to have free trade deals with major players in the global marketplace but when we need a big construction project to be undertaken, we have to ask other countries, (curiously, in the EU), to perform that work. How are we going to trade successfully when we have so little to offer?
There is no contradiction. France is probably No 1 in expertise for nuclear power stations.
If the issue is national pride for not wanting EDF to build Hinkley, then it's stupid.
 
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Woosh

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Right at this moment, I don't know whether the UK has a free-trade deal with Japan but if not, this may prove to be problematic for us:

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Tom
why should it be problematic?
It's not like the EU forbids Japan to do deals with other countries outside the EU customs union.
 

Kudoscycles

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Not sure the EU via Barnier is putting up trade barriers post Brexit to get the best possible deal for the EU or that he is just communicating that the 27 dont really want us anymore.
You have to say that we jumped ship at exactly the wrong moment with the EU economy improving and ours going down the pan.
At a stroke we seemed to have moved our country into division 2 in the world.
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Woosh

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I like them,a picture often says so much more....ask any teacher what they thought of Gove and Boris is just a tart.
IDS ,has he ever done anthing useful?
KudosDave
Let's say take one of his 'infographics'

This is the undeniable truth:

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Tom
You can't just pick out what you agree/disagree with from his posted picture and make your point.

Here is his infographic:



as a matter of fact, spending on the NHS has always been on the 'not enough' side for as long as I can remember, from both sides of parliament.
The problem is the system itself. You pay to jump queue, and you can do so because the system lets surgeons run their private business sharing the NHS resources and customers.
Systems like the French or the German is in practice more democratic, more socially acceptable than what we have here.

So if I want to pick out 'is socialism' or 'burning ideological hatred' then I have to reproduce his propaganda.
 
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Danidl

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why should it be problematic?
It's not like the EU forbids Japan to do deals with other countries outside the EU customs union.
.. no but it takes time to set one up the EU Japan one took 3 years and you need to have something the other wants. Japan is good in high tech etc Europe can give it food . England imports food so what does England export? Their scotch whisky?
 
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Woosh

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England imports food so what does England export? Their scotch whisky?
tax haven and a property market with guaranteed government policy to keep house price rising for the foreseeable future.
 

Woosh

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no but it takes time to set one up the EU Japan one took 3 years
then we need 6 years transition to get there before the going gets rough.
 

Woosh

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Not sure the EU via Barnier is putting up trade barriers post Brexit to get the best possible deal for the EU or that he is just communicating that the 27 dont really want us anymore.
I think Barnier wants to say 'do things in the right order'.
Pay the divorce bill first, then we'll do a deal like Canada's. If we want more than Canada, we have to be flexible on the ECJ.
Our negotiators want a quote for the transitional period. That's the only outcome that may keep the tories in power.
 

Kudoscycles

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I think Barnier wants to say 'do things in the right order'.
Pay the divorce bill first, then we'll do a deal like Canada's. If we want more than Canada, we have to be flexible on the ECJ.
Our negotiators want a quote for the transitional period. That's the only outcome that may keep the tories in power.
Pay the divorce bill....thats going to be very difficult to put to our electorate...we gave £1billion to the DUP but cannot find £5billion for the NHS yet we will be expecting to find £87billion,£50billion,who knows...can we afford to leave? Have we got the money.
Bet May is practicing one of her pained looks and 'walk out the meeting' bit when they ask for the money!!!!
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Woosh

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Have we got the money.
she'll find the money, it's to buy her place in history.
If she gets replaced before brexit then she'll become the dumbest tory leader in history, next to DC.
 

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