Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

I am thinking that they have no plan, that they are incapable of forming a plan and if they had a plan, too disorganised to follow it.

The only plan I've ever discerned them having is:

1) A hope that an agreement will work out ok in the end.

2) That if it doesn't we'll hard exit and hope that will work out ok.

3) If neither work out, we'll happily suffer in true British fashion while boasting about how stiff our upper lips are.
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[anotherkiwi]

Wayne Rooney? I heard he was available...

 

[anotherkiwi]

3) If neither work out, we'll happily suffer in true British fashion while boasting about how stiff our upper lips are.
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Stiff upper lip for the ruling class and binge drinking for the masses?

 

[oldgroaner]

Nicholas Parsons.

I would have recommended Spike Milligan, unfortunately he's dead, but as Mrs May proves on a daily basis that may not be a handicap.

 

[oldgroaner]

Nicholas Parsons.

You do know that he is "cough, cough" a lifelong dare I say it? Liberal Democrat?

 

[tillson]

The only plan I've ever discerned them having is:

1) A hope that an agreement will work out ok in the end.

2) That if it doesn't we'll hard exit and hope that will work out ok.

3) If neither work out, we'll happily suffer in true British fashion while boasting about how stiff our upper lips are.
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I have come to the conclusion that you are correct about 1& 2. I would add to (3) that they will blame and vilify the EU in order to deflect scrutiny of their own inadequacy.

 

[Danidl]

I have come to the conclusion that you are correct about 1& 2. I would add to (3) that they will blame and vilify the EU in order to deflect scrutiny of there own inadequacy.

.. yes I agree, you have said more succinctly the essentials of my last few posts with OG. Events have their own momentum

 

[Kudoscycles]

It appears that May and Hammond are planning a soft Brexit. Hammond has always favoured a soft Brexit to keep the city of London EU business and May now has no choice if she has to keep the DUP and Scottish Tories on her side,who both favour keeping in the customs union.
As I previously predicted the Tory 'bastards' (Redwood,Rees-Mug,Bone and IDS) have threatened May that if she pursues a soft Brexit then they will try to kick her out by a leadership challenge. It was this bunch of right wingers plus UKIP that caused Cameron to commit to the referendum.
I am sure that May has pointed out to these fascists that she now has no power to negotiate a hard Brexit,maybe one of them will try for PM,but they are not popular amongst the majority of the Tory party.
KudosDave

 

[oldtom]

Neatly encapsulated by someone:



Tom

 

[flecc]

Neatly encapsulated by someone:

View attachment 19780

Tom

Brilliant!
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[oldtom]

The woman doing an impression, a very poor impression, of a Prime Minister, unable to get her act together on any major issue with which she is confronted, just as she was as Home Secretary, is depicted perfectly here by Frankie Boyle:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1836450050004867

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

Here's a question for you
What do you call a beggar in the street armed with Dum Dum bullets, explosive ones too, that have been banned for more than a generation by every nation on Earth as a crime against Humanity?

Answer
The S.A.S.
Fom the Daily Star
SAS to be issued with 'exploding' bullets to stop terrorists
THE SAS will be issued with “exploding” bullets to stop terrorists in their tracks.
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The bullet, described as the most lethal ever made, is made by US company G2 Research.

It is designed to splinter into eight pieces, each causing as much damage as a single ordinary round.

The manufacturers’ website states: “It is capable of going through barriers such as sheet rock, plywood, sheet metal or glass and still performs its original intent. The bullet shreds through solid objects and, only then, expends its energy.”

This is way beyond the point where we can consider ourselves a Civilised Nation

 

[oldgroaner]

And now this Bombshell
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Grenfell Tower cladding is banned in the UK, Chancellor reveals
The flammable cladding used at Grenfell Tower is not banned merely in the US and Europe, but in the UK too

 

[flecc]

The flammable cladding used at Grenfell Tower is not banned merely in the US and Europe, but in the UK too

The construction company insist that they met the current standards. Also we still aren't certain whether it was the cladding or the substrate that ignited, so I suspect it will be some while before we know the true position.
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[tillson]

Here's a question for you
What do you call a beggar in the street armed with Dum Dum bullets, explosive ones too, that have been banned for more than a generation by every nation on Earth as a crime against Humanity?

Answer
The S.A.S.
Fom the Daily Star
SAS to be issued with 'exploding' bullets to stop terrorists
THE SAS will be issued with “exploding” bullets to stop terrorists in their tracks.
"
The bullet, described as the most lethal ever made, is made by US company G2 Research.

It is designed to splinter into eight pieces, each causing as much damage as a single ordinary round.

The manufacturers’ website states: “It is capable of going through barriers such as sheet rock, plywood, sheet metal or glass and still performs its original intent. The bullet shreds through solid objects and, only then, expends its energy.”

This is way beyond the point where we can consider ourselves a Civilised Nation

I don't know if these bullets have an explosive charge in them or whether they intentionally break up on impact. As you say, they have been banned in warfare for many years, but I'm not sure about civil defence / law enforcement agencies.

I know the police use bullets which are designed to break up or expand inside the body, just like the ones to which you refer. The intention being that it reduced the chances of it exiting and wounding / killing someone other than the intended target.

The bullets which you describe are intended for just such circumstances. The terrorist attacks of today tend to involve the perpetrator being in close proximity to large numbers of members of the public. A bullet or a number of stray bullets exiting a terrorists body would put the public at even greater risk. Also, if the target is wearing explosives / mock explosives, it is vital that each shot inflicts the maximum amount of trauma on the body.

Not ideal, but a crowd type attack is the choice made by today's terrorists and tactics must adapt accordingly

Good work by the Daily Star blowing the cover of the people who are supposed to be keeping us safe. Stand by for tramp genocide. Still, it's better than some of their other headlines, such as a double decker bus found on the moon.

 

[tommie]

The S.A.S.
Fom the Daily Star
SAS to be issued with 'exploding' bullets to stop terrorists
THE SAS will be issued with “exploding” bullets to stop terrorists in their tracks.

Ahh, at last some little progress in confronting these maniacs.

Every policeman in our major cities should now be issued with this type of weapon at once, many innocents can be saved.

 

[Croxden]

Still, it's better than some of their other headlines, such as a double decker bus found on the moon.

That was the Sport not the Star.

 

[tillson]

That was the Sport not the Star.

I must be confusing it with that fish & chip shop on the moon. The one which is being run by Elvis Presley, not the one Buddy Holly owns on the other side of the crater. I'm sure that was The Star?

 

[flecc]

I must be confusing it with that fish & chip shop on the moon.

Wasn't that steak and chips, explaining where Shergar had got to?
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[shemozzle999]

EU only prepared to reimburse the paid up share capital in UK's stake-holding of the EIB and ECB, not its current values, so it appears we have effectively supported them with an interest free loan all these years . I doubt we would have signed up to them if we had known this at the time of joining them.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-financial-settlement_en