Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Just answer this simple question OG.

Why are both major parties campaigning on leave.?

When you,ve answered have a good think about what it means..

You don't need me to explain it.

Easiest question yet.
And perhaps you are the one who should be asking that question yourself.
The answer is infortunately the following.

Many People like you either haven't seen through the lies they have been told, or are too obstinate to accept they made a mistake.

It does bring my earlier belief that they have been simply misled at the time of the Referendum into question. I agree sadly.
Unfortunately that tends to make any other conclusion however unpleasant it is more likely to be true.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well said.
OG and his new besty will disagree tho..

When calculators first arrived if you divided any number by 0 ( zero) it sent them into meltdown , that's what OG is doing now... His mind is going.." does not compute"
Why are both major parties supporting leave. It cant be true...can it..error...error.
Come on OG, you,ve pestered me enough. Why are both Tories and Labour campaigning on leave.. You wont answer but you know why only too well.
Have you pestered JC to see why he is not representing your minority view...the clue is in minority.. Minority OG. Look it up.
I,ll help again. Only a minority of people in UK support remain. With a minority within that minority of bigotted, noisy, argumentative, insulting and undemocratic individuals. Infact you and Tom.

Still no answer, just a rant as usual.
What are you going to do to put things right?
Deny everything as usual...is it all the fault of the EU?
Have you forgotten it that the Leave EU faction opposed the Democratic Decision to remain in the EU when it was made and spent over 40 years doing so?
Why was it right for them and now wrong for those of us who wish to remain?
And that Referendum was both legal and enormously in favour of remain.

 

[Woosh]

OG
the question we were asked was a choice.
You could argue it's a good or bad choice depending on your personal circumstance or political leaning but not right or wrong.
You make a moral judgement on people's choice. You imply that because some 52% made a [bad] choice, they are bound to be idiots.

 

[oldgroaner]

OG
the question we were asked was a choice.
You could argue it's a good or bad choice depending on your personal circumstance or political leaning but not right or wrong.
You make a moral judgement on people's choice. You imply that because some 52% made a [bad] choice, they are bound to be idiots.

Doing a Zlatan? I didn't say that, did I, but you drew that conclusion.
Why can't you argue whether the decision was right or wrong? that doesn't make sense as it has to have been one or the other.
Perhaps there is another explanation why we keep getting damaging right wing Governents that work against the public interest to further their own?
How do you explain that?
What does it suggest to you?
Perhaps you can offer a list of alternatives?

 

[Woosh]

OG, you bring a moral judgement to an economic choice. The previous referendum was about voting system. Why didn't you make it a moral choice? To me, voting system is more deserving to be a moral issue compared to brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

Express this morning ran this
"
Brexit without free trade deal for services ‘could cost Britain up to £36 BILLION a year’
A BREXIT deal without preferential access to the EU’s single market for service companies could cost Britain up to £36billion a year, according to an independent consultancy..
Reader poll suggest No Deal by 64%

 

[oldgroaner]

OG, you bring a moral judgement to an economic choice. The previous referendum was about voting system. Why didn't you make it a moral choice? To me, voting system is more deserving to be a moral issue compared to brexit.

I don't regard the Brexit Vote as merely an economic choice it was a Social one Primarily, made wthout really thinking about economics, most people do not seem worried about them.

 

[Woosh]

and I suspect a lot of people will disagree with you on this.
Social policy is determined by the government of the day.
Vote labour, they have the best manifesto.

 

[oldgroaner]

Also from the Express
Strong and stable leadership.... sorry rule by Fiat
"
Theresa May did not disclose 'dementia tax' plans with top Tories before manifesto launch
THERESA May did not discuss her plans to shred social care funding with some of her most senior colleagues before she launched her party's manifesto, it has been disclosed.

What a genius and people feel happy with her negotiating of their behalf?
And will vote her back into power?
But I am reliably informed we should not criticise their judgement, it isn't done....

 

[oldgroaner]

and I suspect a lot of people will disagree with you on this.
Social policy is determined by the government of the day.
Vote labour, they have the best manifesto.

Well at least we agree about the Manifesto!

By all accounts the first thing the Tory Cabinet knew what was in the Manifesto was when it was made Public!
That would have been great to observe as a fly on the wall!

 

[Woosh]

I did say the tories are brave when their manifesto was unveiled.
(or stupid).

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
"
Theresa May to warn Brexit will have 'dire consequences' for ordinary people if UK doesn't get right deal
'We need someone representing Britain who is 100 per cent committed to the cause'
What happened to "No deal is better than a bad deal?"
This is getting worse daily
We had all the Hoo Haa about "Project Fear" before the Referendum
Now it's an Election Campaign Slogan?
Drop Brexit, it's an unexploded Weapon of Mass Destruction.

The Person 100% committed to the cause had better be the EU's negotiator not this unstable politician representing us (sorry the Elite)
There is no way this will end well.

 

[oldgroaner]

"
Brexit Secretary David Davis warns Britain will walk out of talks if EU demands €100bn
‘We don’t need to just look like we can walk away, we need to be able to walk away’

And what will be the reaction from the EU?
"Close the door after you!
Next item on the Agenda, Refuse Disposal Policy"

 

[oldgroaner]

I did say the tories are brave when their manifesto was unveiled.
(or stupid).

Apparently most of them were as surprised as the public was when they saw it!
The woman must be worrying them too!

What a fate, we seem to have Trump Mark 2 running the country!

 

[oldgroaner]

I have decided on a possible term to cover the state of mind of the British Electorate.
"Terminally baffled and confused"
And I include myself of course
poor devils, who can blame them?
What do you think? have you a better "take" on the situation?

 

[Zlatan]

Easiest question yet.
And perhaps you are the one who should be asking that question yourself.
The answer is infortunately the following.

Many People like you either haven't seen through the lies they have been told, or are too obstinate to accept they made a mistake.

It does bring my earlier belief that they have been simply misled at the time of the Referendum into question. I agree sadly.
Unfortunately that tends to make any other conclusion however unpleasant it is more likely to be true.

That's not answering question at all..??!!
Why are both major parties campaigning on leave ?
Because electorate have been misled !?? What a get out.
Misled has nothing to do with it, is subjective and implies parties are misled...now along with likes of Alan Sugar.
They ate campaigning on leave because remain would not get them in power.
But as I said you refuse to accept the fact . Remain is a minority.

 

[oldgroaner]

They ate campaigning on leave because remain would not get them in power.
But as I said you refuse to accept the fact . Remain is a minority.

I gave you your answer, it's a combination of fear of unrest among the Brexit voting faction, an unwillingness to be brave enough to do the right thing, and the feeling the public "have it coming to them for making this decision anyway"
As to the numbers for and against Brext
As usual you offer neither proof or logic, and even if you happened to be right, when things go downhill, how many including you will remember they voted for Brexit?
You are going to get the Government you deserve, that will serve the cause of getting back into the EU quite nicely when the Public reacts as it will.
Whichever way you "spin" it, if the Brexit vote hadn't won, we would not be in this present situation, would we? more years of Tory misrule added on to our sentence.

 

[homemoz]

Well, I joined the LibDems immediately after the referendum. Probably, in the first flush of emotion to the result & due to fact I have generally agreed with LibDem policies over the years. In this election though I will be voting Labour!! The labour set of policies are the first I have felt I can support with conviction for years. My hypothetical rationale is 1. would I rather have stayed in the EU under a Theresa May agenda or 2. Left the EU under the labour manifesto. For me the strength of the labour manifesto wins hands down. Ideally, I would have preferred to remain & am still a remainer, but this has been outweighed by my dislike of what the Tories are trying to do & their sheer arrogance.
With regard to the LibDems, I am really disappointed. The last thing I think we need is another referendumm, especially under the same conditions. I think it would reopen divisions. I also think that Govt by referendum is a completely useless way to make decisions especially about complex matters. Another case of dumbing down. So there you have it - someone who has changed their mind & switched loyalties. I have just been away for a couple of weeks to somewhere with no internet access. Sheer bliss!

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[flecc]

THERESA May did not discuss her plans to shred social care funding with some of her most senior colleagues before she launched her party's manifesto, it has been disclosed.

Confirms what I warned the day she became PM, this woman is another Margaret Thatcher and every bit as dangerous.
.

 

[Zlatan]

I gave you your answer, it's a combination of fear of unrest among the Brexit voting faction, an unwillingness to be brave enough to do the right thing, and the feeling the public "have it coming to them for making this decision anyway"
As to the numbers for and against Brext
As usual you offer neither proof or logic, and even if you happened to be right, when things go downhill, how many including you will remember they voted for Brexit?
You are going to get the Government you deserve, that will serve the cause of getting back into the EU quite nicely when the Public reacts as it will.
Whichever way you "spin" it, if the Brexit vote hadn't won, we would not be in this present situation, would we? more years of Tory misrule added on to our sentence.

What a stupid post. Your most incisive comment.." getting government we deserve."
Patronising and bigotry in one comment.Prat.