Certainly I accept democratic results which normally require a much bigger margin than 4% in a referendum especially one that is for guidance only.
We have been railroaded into this situation
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Its quite likely the next government will get both a smaller majority and a smaller total number of votes than supported Brexit.
Yes, I dp think there should have been a larger majority insisted on before hand, but the fact was it wasn't. Brexit won and OG does not accept democratic principles until they suit his way of thinking.
I actually said weeks ago if either decision had been other way or Corbyn supported remain and won I,d shut up. But OG or Tom simply cant. The pair have gone on and on and on, both insulting and demanding reasons why folk vote as they did.
OG has behaved like a spoilt child not getting his own way.
Will be interesting to see the total number of votes cast and numbers supporting May. I,ll bet now with anybody its less than supported Brexit. Unfortunately that's how democracy works.
I cant speak for all remainers, nobody can, but a good portion of those I have spoken with recently say they would vote leave now anyway.
The highest criticism should be at our system and at Corbyn's inability to adapt to population's opinions. He really should have campaigned on remain. For the life of me I can not fathom why he has not..or perhaps he,s realised a remain policy would not get him in power ??? ( or he,s read Tom and OG's garbage)
I,d taken it as a given Corbyn would campaign on remain.?( with a moderated stance on defence/ nuclear power)
Yes, I dp think there should have been a larger majority insisted on before hand, but the fact was it wasn't. Brexit won and OG does not accept democratic principles until they suit his way of thinking.
I actually said weeks ago if either decision had been other way or Corbyn supported remain and won I,d shut up. But OG or Tom simply cant. The pair have gone on and on and on, both insulting and demanding reasons why folk vote as they did.
OG has behaved like a spoilt child not getting his own way.
Will be interesting to see the total number of votes cast and numbers supporting May. I,ll bet now with anybody its less than supported Brexit. Unfortunately that's how democracy works.
I cant speak for all remainers, nobody can, but a good portion of those I have spoken with recently say they would vote leave now anyway.
The highest criticism should be at our system and at Corbyn's inability to adapt to population's opinions. He really should have campaigned on remain. For the life of me I can not fathom why he has not..or perhaps he,s realised a remain policy would not get him in power ??? ( or he,s read Tom and OG's garbage)
I,d taken it as a given Corbyn would campaign on remain.?( with a moderated stance on defence/ nuclear power)
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Try to understand
Democratic principles mean than
NONE LEGALLY BINDING REFERENDUMS WITH ONLY A 4% MAJORITY DONT GET APPLIED
Quite simple to understand really,
Regardless, it was a Popularity Poll only
"I cant speak for all remainers, nobody can, but a good portion of those I have spoken with recently say they would vote leave now anyway."
What Planet are you on? that is the opposite of my experience, only a few who voted leave now think it was a good idea.
Please offer some proof that apart from Right wing anti EU propaganda has given them reason to do so?
Are you saying they were dim enough to be taken in?
Alernatively what has appeared as a shining reason to change sides? what great news has there been to offer encouragement?
Absolutely None whatsoever, and it gets worse by the day
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I don't know a single person who has changed there minds at all.politics,the endless debates,how one side has all the answers and the other has got it all wrong yet oddly nobody ever seems any happier or any better off....enjoy gentlemen,the freedom of speech that others have fought and some will carry on fighting for
OG
How many times do I have to tell you just because it wasn't legally binding does not mean its not democratically enforceable. Had tories said they were ignoring it do you really think they,d now be calling a snap election.
Why do you think I,m labouring point about Corbyn not campaigning in remain...
Its because they know ( or think) that who ever supports remain is politically dead.
Yes ,the result wasn't legally binding but it was enough to be electorally essential. Its why Gina Miller was wasting her time, as was Branson and Blair.
The only way we would ever know is if Corbyn had guts to support remain and risk losing more seats ( which he will anyway)
Its staring you in face OG but as usual you are pig headed and just ignore it. The two major parties are convinced supporting leave is the only route to power. Personally I think otherwise, but on this one I,ll bet they know better.
Pulling up my spelling mistakes, insulting me or continued repetitive unanswerable questions will not alter the fact that both major parties ( the ones capable of forming governments) support leave. Hard luck OG.
Looks like we are leaving, unless you can lobby Corbyn to come to his senses. I,ll bet you haven,t penned a single email or letter in his direction. Easier to just moan on here.
How many times do I have to tell you just because it wasn't legally binding does not mean its not democratically enforceable. Had tories said they were ignoring it do you really think they,d now be calling a snap election.
Why do you think I,m labouring point about Corbyn not campaigning in remain...
Its because they know ( or think) that who ever supports remain is politically dead.
Yes ,the result wasn't legally binding but it was enough to be electorally essential. Its why Gina Miller was wasting her time, as was Branson and Blair.
The only way we would ever know is if Corbyn had guts to support remain and risk losing more seats ( which he will anyway)
Its staring you in face OG but as usual you are pig headed and just ignore it. The two major parties are convinced supporting leave is the only route to power. Personally I think otherwise, but on this one I,ll bet they know better.
Pulling up my spelling mistakes, insulting me or continued repetitive unanswerable questions will not alter the fact that both major parties ( the ones capable of forming governments) support leave. Hard luck OG.
Looks like we are leaving, unless you can lobby Corbyn to come to his senses. I,ll bet you haven,t penned a single email or letter in his direction. Easier to just moan on here.
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You really should leave attempts at "put downs" to the Grown ups.
Thoughout you have failed to come up with any convincing argument in favour of Brexit, and let's face it you have no idea what you have got yourself into, have you?
Tom and I presented plenty of information to make you reconsider, you only managed to scrape up some nonsense that what obviously nothing more than pious hopes, and a lot of angst that the EU failed because it lacked power,to control the excesses of this Government, but that was something you didn't want it to have anyway.
You really can't be on both sides at the sae time.
What difference do you imagine it will make if Corbyn gets into power anyway?
I wouldn't wish that on him! he has suffered enough.
We have no industry worth the name to pay our way, do we, no great Natural Resources and no prospect of getting any anyway.
Outside the EU it's better to let the Tory's take the blame for what happens and clean the Fan later.
Then vote for Corbyn or more likely his successor, and get back into the EU
Well said!
By the way Zlatan did you realise you just agreed to
"]I don't know a single person who has changed there minds at all.politics,the endless debates,how one side has all the answers and the other has got it all wrong yet oddly nobody ever seems any happier or any better off.."
Did you mean to?
But I will.. It means both major believe remainers are a minority.
Even Labour who know they are going to lose refuse to support remain, suspecting it will cost them even more seats.
Ps. I will be voting labour and still would have had the supported remain.( Which you, or anyone else for that matter,has explained why not)
Its utterly pointless and probably dangerous voting for any party incapable of forming an independent government.
Unless of course you want another Clegg fiasco.( but with Farron)
Even Labour who know they are going to lose refuse to support remain, suspecting it will cost them even more seats.
Ps. I will be voting labour and still would have had the supported remain.( Which you, or anyone else for that matter,has explained why not)
Its utterly pointless and probably dangerous voting for any party incapable of forming an independent government.
Unless of course you want another Clegg fiasco.( but with Farron)
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about one in four will vote for a different party since the last election.
ORB people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/20/exclusive-telegraph-orb-poll-one-four-labour-voters-back-split/
the relevant graph is in the lower half of the article. 88% of conservatives stick with their previous choice, 82% of labour remain loyal, only 38% of kippers and 52% libdems stay loyal.
Of course,you are entitled to believe whatever you read lol.....sheep are also one of life's great followers
Well said.
OG and his new besty will disagree tho..
When calculators first arrived if you divided any number by 0 ( zero) it sent them into meltdown , that's what OG is doing now... His mind is going.." does not compute"
Why are both major parties supporting leave. It cant be true...can it..error...error.
Come on OG, you,ve pestered me enough. Why are both Tories and Labour campaigning on leave.. You wont answer but you know why only too well.
Have you pestered JC to see why he is not representing your minority view...the clue is in minority.. Minority OG. Look it up.
I,ll help again. Only a minority of people in UK support remain. With a minority within that minority of bigotted, noisy, argumentative, insulting and undemocratic individuals. Infact you and Tom.
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