Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

With an idiot for a Prime Minister, the lapooners and satirists are having a field day - in fact, they don't have to work very hard at all to find material.

This just illustrates how easy it is for journalists and bloggers to acquire the basis for comedy:

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Tom

 

[oldtom]

Oh, it seems that it's not only Mrs May who is trying to avoid the public as 'The Canary', a real on-the-ball blogger points out:

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/28/not-just-theresa-may-another-cabinet-minister-goes-hiding-avoid-meeting-real-people/

Tom

 

[oldtom]

As the mainstream media have no intention of publishing anything remotely like the truth about the situation in regard to 'Brexit' or to the divisions within the parliamentary tory party, it falls to internet bloggers to draw attention to the lies we are being fed instead of truth.

In this instance, AAV highlights some of what is really happening:

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/so-much-bullshit-in-just-one-sentence.html

Tom

 

[oldtom]

The Russian TV network has this to say about Branson and his 'vocal'....(I don't remember that!) support for 'Remain':

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Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

There's a big Spread in the Sun Glorying in the rollout of another of our Nuclear Sub of the Attack type, apart from the usual hyperbole, there is one significant claim, which if it were true would rubbish the notion that the Trident system that relies in Stealth is Viable.
How are we to equate the claim of them being undetectable after not merely collisions with other allied submarines of the same class, but this statement about the detection systems on this latest submarines
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More than 39,000 acoustic tiles mask the vessel’s sonar signature, meaning she slips through the seas with less noise than a baby dolphinImage: PAress Association

The sonar HMS Audacious is equipped with is so powerful it can detect ships leaving harbour in New York from the English Channel, 3,000 nautical miles away.

As an Engineer it seems to me nonsense to imagine that you can move a vessel displacing 7,400 tons as somewhere around 10 to 20 knots without creating rather more turbulance than a baby dolphin, no matter how good your sound proofing is

Further the notion that the movement of that large a metal object through the Earths magnetic Field cannot be detected by a Satellite capable of detecting such movement is highly improbable.
For that matter a sown field of magnetic anomaly sensors scattered round the sea bed is undoubtedly either already in place, or under development.

 

[Woosh]

The sonar HMS Audacious is equipped with is so powerful it can detect ships leaving harbour in New York from the English Channel, 3,000 nautical miles away.

It must be true because the journalists at the Sun said it.

 

[oldgroaner]

It must be true because the journalists at the Sun said it.

Of Course! Silly me..........

 

[oldgroaner]

The Mirror has an Interesting leader
Why should I not vote Conservative? 29 nasty policies you shouldn't forget in the 2017 general election
Theresa May is touring the country promising to make your life better on June 8. But what about the nasty or unfair cuts she'd rather you forgot about?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/should-not-vote-conservative-29-10303180

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Another video thats worth a watch from the EU Law department at Liverpool University, that's worth a watch for anyone who wants to learn some facts about Brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Telegraph this morning
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Brexit Britain can't thrive without cheap energy. We need a bonfire of green regulations
Charles Moore

So logically the Future of the Planet is worth less than the success of Brexit?
Here's a better idea!
Vote to cancel Brexit, lets spend the Money on a real Future and save the Plant too!

 

[oldtom]

Given the short notice of a snap election called by the tory party, one could be forgiven for imagining that they have changed their minds but haven't told anyone, given their collective disappearance from the scene over recent days.

There seems to be little campaigning going on and even their friends in the media seem somewhat startled by their reluctance to stand up and be counted on their record as we approach the day of reckoning. It could be that they have simply taken a step back from the limelight in order to take stock and dream up a few more mantras which can be recited every time a TV camera is pointed in their direction; after all, their current ones have become more than a little hackneyed.

The non-mainstream political media, (not owned by tory billionaires), are currently filling in some of the blanks for those of us wondering what is going on:

Skwawkbox.org gives us this:

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Channel 4 news has this:




Now, while I'm no expert on pre-election tactics, I hardly think this kind of news is desirable, immediately before a general election:

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Perhaps this is the biggest danger in this election:



Tom

 

[oldtom]

The lies and deceit of this tory government are exposed once again today, this time by The Times. On this occasion, it is chief warmonger, Fallon, who is the minister with responsibility, something he has shown little of in his time in office.

Perhaps if he had spent less time attacking Jeremy Corbyn and threatening countries elsewhere with nuclear attack, he might have realised what is going on at the MOD.

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Tom

 

[shemozzle999]

EU brexit guidelines:

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/04/29-euco-brexit-guidelines/

 

[Woosh]

EU brexit guidelines:

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/04/29-euco-brexit-guidelines/

A phrase, often used in EU's communiques, is this one:

A non-member of the Union, that does not live up to the same obligations as a member, cannot have the same rights and enjoy the same benefits as a member.

I honestly can't work out those rights and benefits that are exclusive to members and that the EU will not negotiate with other blocks such as EFTA countries, Turkey, Canada etc.
Can someone list them for me?

 

[oldgroaner]

A phrase, often used in EU's communiques, is this one:

I honestly can't work out those rights and benefits that are exclusive to members and that the EU will not negotiate with other blocks such as EFTA countries, Turkey, Canada etc.
Can someone list them for me?

Passorting perhaps, and no customs checks at the ports?

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[Woosh]

the EU do deals with Norway for example. All the trade stuff is negotiable.
I am thinking more of the EU as an insurer. You pay in a premium for your security. For example, even without an army, the EU can nearly be relied on for conflict resolution within members thus avoiding war within and without. Members can then scale down their spending on defense. Other benefit in the future may be sharing a secure supply of natural gaz from Russia.

Europe. Albania - Stabilisation and Association Agreement, 22 May 2006. Andorra - Customs Union, 1 July 1991. Bosnia and Herzegovina - Stabilisation and Association Agreement, 1 June 2015. Faroe Islands - Agreement, 1 January 1997. Georgia – Association Agreement, 1 July 2016. Iceland - Agreement, 1 April 1973.

 

[oldgroaner]

the EU do deals with Norway for example. All the trade stuff is negotiable.
I am thinking more of the EU as an insurer. You pay in a premium for your security. For example, even without an army, the EU can nearly be relied on for conflict resolution within members thus avoiding war within and without. Members can then scale down their spending on defense. Other benefit in the future may be sharing a secure supply of natural gaz from Russia.

Hang on, haven't you just answered your own question, or am I more confused than usual?

 

[oldgroaner]

EU brexit guidelines:

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/04/29-euco-brexit-guidelines/

Thank you!

 

[Woosh]

Hang on, haven't you just answered your own question, or am I more confused than usual?

As I was watching BBC News 24 reporting on the EU brexit conference and the press conference with Donald Tusk, I am genuinely confused by the EU's position. I understand why they plan it this way, but I am confused by what they think they will achieve by cornering the UK.
Donald Tusk takes it for granted that membership carries benefits.
It is not as obvious as one would expect if you want to nail down what it is that membership buys.
Apparently, the UK does not need any of these benefits: not CAP, not CFP. The FTA is a long term thing. The UK is only interested in a transitional period.
Before you can think of reversing brexit, may be you should convincingly explain these benefits to the 52%.

 

[flecc]

Donald Tusk takes it for granted that membership carries benefits.
It is not as obvious as one would expect if you want to nail down what it is that membership buys.

We've gained in numerous ways from being members, most obviously in terms of individual rights. Protection of the individual has always been at the core of everything the EU and its courts do. One only has to look at the EU statements on the departure procedure to see how much those rights are stressed throughout.

Meanwhile our prime minister and government studiously ignore the subject and we have a long history of opposing EU human rights measures, fighting against them in the courts, even to the extent of wanting to get rid of the Human Rights Act.

On a more mundane level there's borderless travel with a common currency covering much of it, residency and employment rights elsewhere, with substantial degrees of medical and other care. Energy sharing though the inter-country electricity grid serving us some 10% of our current needs.
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