Anyone might suspect all the right wing propaganda in the majority of the media could have something to do with it.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I also value the BBC. However, I would be interested to know what checks & balances are used to prevent conscious or unconscious bias in their reporting. Also, what training is given in recognising cognitive bias & how to prevent it. I am all in favour of robust interviewing of the type that used to be on Radio 4's Today programme which gave all politicians a grilling, especially those in power. Sadly, the current presenters do not seem to share this ethos and I fear often seem to make it all too easy for their guests. Having said that, I would not like to see the BBC transformed in a purely commercial provider & to remain primarily a public service broadcaster paid for through the licence fee.
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I have been assured specifically that this is not the case by someone on this Forum as "The right wing media only reach a tiny audience"
So there... etc., must be right! innit?
It wasn't me who posted it but I think Mrs May can be beaten. She is a bit gauche in front of the camera and her eyes don't connect either. She often prattles about 'a strong hand in negotiation with the EU' which is vacuous at the best, more likely misleading.
Why do we have to entrust the tories with any tasks? They will shaft any one given half a chance.
Mrs May is so rubbish at explaining tory's policies, so much so that the job of explaining is left to BBC journalists who follow her when she goes out 'campaigning'. The more voters who see her and Boris Johnson, the more people will see what a bunch of t***** the tories are.
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Love to agree but Ipsos Mori poll in the Independent today puts Mrs May's leadership as more popular than Margaret Thatcher. 61% as compared to JCs 23% I think it said.
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the poll is heavily influenced by the fact that most people do not think Mr Corbyn a credible PM.
I think when Labour MPs show unity around their manifesto in about 3 weeks time, their poll numbers will vastly improve.
I hope so. I guess time will tell. What I found interesting are reports that suggest Corbyn has a majority support amongst the under 40s. Trouble is that they tend not to vote. Even though I support LibDem, I would still like to see Labour do well.
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Let's be honest and say that really there appears little chance that the Tory's won't enjoy a massive election success in the election
But remember it is after all likely to prove a Pyrrhic victory if Brexit turns sour, and could even damage the ability of the Propaganda machine to continue to fool the Public in the usual casual manner, in the long term.
Being the "Champions of Brexit" will prove a poisoned chalice long term.
Not merely for the Tory Party, but for the Labour Party too
For what point is there in voting for an opposition that hasn't the guts to say just because a small majority wanted to buy into Brexit without having the faintest idea where that could lead, we support it without even demanding the right to reect the idea and cancel it if it is not seen to be proven to be in the National interest?
What logic makes them capitulate to this fate accompli.?
Sorry but I can only see that as a Traitorous act against the people, to knowingly take the wrong direction after it is proven wrong is plain stupid.
It is the act of an enemy of the people not a friend.
If I can paraphrase Groucho's song
"It doesn't matter what you say cause I'm against Brexit anyway
Whatever it is, I'm against it,
And even if you alter and amend it, I'm against it!"
You're proposition may look good, but let's get one thing understood whatever Brexit is, i'm against it,
Your promises will not come good, they'll prove to be lies like we said they would.
And even if you change it and condense it, I'm against it."
Bill and Ben of the EU invited to London for dinner tonight - hosted by Maggie. Roast Beef followed by spotted dick on the menu. Appears no one has told the BBC.
From the Mirror
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Kent Police passes Tory election fraud investigation dossier to Crown Prosecution Service
They now have to decide whether to press charges by the start of June - just days before the election
Kent police have passed a file on allegations of electoral expenses fraud to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), it was confirmed today.
The CPS will now review evidence before deciding whether to bring charges against the MPs involved.
The police began investigating more than two dozen Conservative MPs after the Mirror revealed last March that they had benefited from battle buses packed with party activists but failed to declare the costs.
Not declaring all election spending is a criminal offence and the MPs involved and their agents face one year in jail and an unlimited fine if convicted.
The Crown Prosecution Service has confirmed that is has received files from 14 separate police forces and is not confirming the names or even numbers of MPs.
But it's believed to be considering charges against up to 20. If convicted, they would lose their seats and the Government could lose its majority.
The Conservative party has denied any wrongdoing.
Mr Mackinlay has said he believed all expenses were registered in compliance with Electoral Commission rules.
So now we know what prompted the election, I wonder if TM will be quizzed about this on the good old Beeb?
It would have been embarassing for her to head the First Government ever brought down by not declaring it had taken a Bus!
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Kent Police passes Tory election fraud investigation dossier to Crown Prosecution Service
They now have to decide whether to press charges by the start of June - just days before the election
Kent police have passed a file on allegations of electoral expenses fraud to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), it was confirmed today.
The CPS will now review evidence before deciding whether to bring charges against the MPs involved.
The police began investigating more than two dozen Conservative MPs after the Mirror revealed last March that they had benefited from battle buses packed with party activists but failed to declare the costs.
Not declaring all election spending is a criminal offence and the MPs involved and their agents face one year in jail and an unlimited fine if convicted.
The Crown Prosecution Service has confirmed that is has received files from 14 separate police forces and is not confirming the names or even numbers of MPs.
But it's believed to be considering charges against up to 20. If convicted, they would lose their seats and the Government could lose its majority.
The Conservative party has denied any wrongdoing.
Mr Mackinlay has said he believed all expenses were registered in compliance with Electoral Commission rules.
So now we know what prompted the election, I wonder if TM will be quizzed about this on the good old Beeb?
It would have been embarassing for her to head the First Government ever brought down by not declaring it had taken a Bus!
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The thoroughly obnoxious hack (in my view), Peter Hitchens, has this to say about the suddenness of the General Election:
This list purports to include all those tory MPs under police investigation:
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This list purports to include all those tory MPs under police investigation:
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'This is the BBC' - I can remember hearing that announced in a posh but homely and reassuring voice and it stood for something in the minds of most people. At some point, the BBC became referred to by some as 'Dear Old Auntie', possibly because we all trusted the best news source available in the world. Then, long after we had ridded our homes of those beautiful old wireless sets to make way for smaller, modern transistorised radios and TVs, so small, many needed a magnifying glass on a stand to make the B&W picture big enough to watch, the 'Auntie' epithet hung around.
How times have changed! Today's BBC news service no longer delivers news in a way that makes us feel confident about the truth of their message. There are many reasons for the downward spiral that has seen the Beeb plunge from the sublime to the ridiculous - so many indeed that social media is full of irreverant posts and comic literature about the matter, some like these infographic messages which stand up well in the face of the possibility of litigious action were any of it libelous:
When enough people actually understand that the malicious grapevine which intertwines the tory Party, the BBC, the City of London bankers and all the major daily newspapers in the UK form one giant conspiracy of all the wealthiest and most influential people - the most corrupt and hateful elements of society, then perhaps they will realise that we need a different kind of politics in the UK.
We are where we are today because of mass, long-term brainwashing by a political party and their propaganda wing which represents only the perpetuation of the morally-challenged upper class, solely intent on the retention and growth of inherited wealth, land and titles.
Under tory mis-government, the gulf between rich and poor increases day after day, year after year. The vast majority of British people need a socialist government and there has rarely been a time in our history when a reforming, compassionate and inclusive government was more needed than right now.
Tom
How times have changed! Today's BBC news service no longer delivers news in a way that makes us feel confident about the truth of their message. There are many reasons for the downward spiral that has seen the Beeb plunge from the sublime to the ridiculous - so many indeed that social media is full of irreverant posts and comic literature about the matter, some like these infographic messages which stand up well in the face of the possibility of litigious action were any of it libelous:
When enough people actually understand that the malicious grapevine which intertwines the tory Party, the BBC, the City of London bankers and all the major daily newspapers in the UK form one giant conspiracy of all the wealthiest and most influential people - the most corrupt and hateful elements of society, then perhaps they will realise that we need a different kind of politics in the UK.
We are where we are today because of mass, long-term brainwashing by a political party and their propaganda wing which represents only the perpetuation of the morally-challenged upper class, solely intent on the retention and growth of inherited wealth, land and titles.
Under tory mis-government, the gulf between rich and poor increases day after day, year after year. The vast majority of British people need a socialist government and there has rarely been a time in our history when a reforming, compassionate and inclusive government was more needed than right now.
Tom
Those who can remember Jeremy Corbyn actually talking to Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness will be well aware of the condemnation slung at him for years after the event. They will also be aware that the British establishment failed to suppress the Irish Republican movement by military force and indeed ended up talking to the very people Corbyn was slated for talking to.
The media didn't tell us the half of what was going on from the 1970s but here is a reminder of what really happened:
The BBC didn't tell us the truth back then and they still lie to us today.
Tom
The media didn't tell us the half of what was going on from the 1970s but here is a reminder of what really happened:
The BBC didn't tell us the truth back then and they still lie to us today.
Tom
More from the Guardian demonstrating how bad news reporting has become in tory Britain:
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Paul Mason makes the case for considered tactical voting to stop May:
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Clearly both sides are entrenched, the massive campaign in the Press pro Brexit has failed in it's purpose.meanwhile, brexit still divides public opinion right in the middle: 44/12/44
If one of the papers were to change sides, one has to wonder what the result might be, and I woould point out that the reader's comments in both the Express and Mail are quite often not what the owners of the paper would prefer them to be.
Is this what the British people rally want? I think not. Why don't politicians learn from the mistakes made previously?
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Don't the Government ever learn?
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Boris Johnson says UK could join US military action in Syria without Commons vote
Foreign Secretary says it would be 'very difficult to say no' if asked to join offensive against Assad regime by Trump administration "
Go on Boris, make matters worse in the hope of creating havoc and selling more arms, the Taxpayers will pay happily for stirring "Patriotic" news in the Murdoch papers
The Readers comment were all scathing about this idea, perhaps TM and co need to tread warily, or just get rid of Boris!
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Boris Johnson says UK could join US military action in Syria without Commons vote
Foreign Secretary says it would be 'very difficult to say no' if asked to join offensive against Assad regime by Trump administration "
Go on Boris, make matters worse in the hope of creating havoc and selling more arms, the Taxpayers will pay happily for stirring "Patriotic" news in the Murdoch papers
The Readers comment were all scathing about this idea, perhaps TM and co need to tread warily, or just get rid of Boris!
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