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oldtom

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Will the inevitable disintegrating Brexit economy be the cause of riots like when in Soviet Russia cigarette / alcohol / consumer shortages set off civil unrest.
The tories seem intent on taking the country back to the days of the 'Poor Law', the 'Corn Law' and the 'Speenhamland' system when we had riots on the streets of places like Ely and Littleport. Some rioters were hanged for their part in the protests, even though many people affected by food shortages and high prices were soldiers, just returned from the Napoleonic wars.

Just as in the case of the 1980s miners' strike, the Brixton riot, the Wapping dispute and the Broadwater Farm riots, the tory government's agents acted like an invading army to protect not the interests of ordinary citizens but those of rich businessmen and indeed, the very government itself.

For those unaware who today's tory Party represents or how the landed gentry deal with discontented, ordinary citizens, there is much to be learned from those terrible times in 19th and 20th century British history. Make no mistake; the rich, the landed and their political representatives and judicial appointees have not changed one bit!....and history has a habit of repeating itself.

'Brexit' was delivered upon the people by liars from the very class of people which has brought hardship upon British people repeatedly throughout our history.

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oldgroaner

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This could help tackle the obesity time bomb ticking away within the UK's population.
What a brilliant Idea eh? so you end up with a generation like mine.
My youngest daughter saw an old photograph of me at the swimming baths in trunks when I was sixteen years old, I measured the same round the waist as round my forehead, and you could see every bone.
"Oh Dad! you look emaciated!" was her response.
"We all did back then" I assured her.
Is that what you see as progress?
Sit on it!
 

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What a brilliant Idea eh? so you end up with a generation like mine.
My youngest daughter saw an old photograph of me at the swimming baths in trunks when I was sixteen years old, I measured the same round the waist as round my forehead, and you could see every bone.
"Oh Dad! you look emaciated!" was her response.
"We all did back then" I assured her.
Is that what you see as progress?
Sit on it!
Same here, growing up through the days of food rationing, my nickname as a little kid was "tin-ribs". Shirt off my ribs were a good imitation of a xylophone. Wasn't until my army days that I got some cover.
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Fatties were so few when I was a lad, that's why we are causing concern by living to long.

The current young generation ain't going to do so well.
 

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There's some food for thought today in the AAV blog which serves as something of a counter viewpoint to the muck produced by the tory media wing, aka the Murdoch media empire and the BBC.

These images, collectively, and in no particular order, tell a very sad story:

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We are definitely leaving the single market. It's a price we have to pay. It may cost us a bit this is true. Can't argue with that. I would only argue the benefits to democracy far outweigh that cost. Keep government close. As close as you can. Brussels was getting further and further away and we had fewer and fewer voting opportunities to make a real difference. This has. This has really shook things up. It had to happen. Democracy was at stake. You can not allow your votes to be taken so easily. We fought two fricking wars to keep hold of that.
This is funny. D8ve listed that as having offensive language. What? 'Fricking' is offensive? Really. You are offended by the use of the word 'fricking'? Is this for real? How thin-skinned some people are. Maybe go to your safe space for a while and I will find a counsellor for you to talk things through with. There there.
 

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Fatties were so few when I was a lad, that's why we are causing concern by living to long.

The current young generation ain't going to do so well.
'Fatties'? Really? It's OK to say that? Some people have a bonafide medical condition - they really can't help it. What if you called somebody a 'blackie'? Would that be OK? No. It would not. As you well know.
 

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This is funny. D8ve listed that as having offensive language. What? 'Fricking' is offensive? Really. You are offended by the use of the word 'fricking'? Is this for real? How thin-skinned some people are. Maybe go to your safe space for a while and I will find a counsellor for you to talk things through with. There there.
Have you ever noticed me using substitute words meant to be crude just to avoid a Vulgarity filter?

Tell you what, when you do then you can feel free to do the same.
Debate like an Adult, or don't debate at all.

And when caught out, don't squirm as you just did and blame others.
 
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OxygenJames

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There's some food for thought today in the AAV blog
The another angry voice blog huh? So that's what feeds you Tom? Note at the bottom where it says 'Donate here to help me keep writing'. How about they get a job instead?

The thing that gets me as I read some more of that blog - is - what realistically is the alternative? (to the Torys). Are you seriously suggesting Corbyn would be good for the UK? Is that your idea? Is that seriously your idea? And I guess your answer would be yes. And that's when I think you really are living in some sort of altered reality if you think that man will ever be able to get enough votes to lead this country.

Again you see - democracy to the rescue.
 
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oldgroaner

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From the Telegraph
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Tories no longer seen as low-tax party after Philip Hammond's Budget raid – exclusive Telegraph poll
The Conservatives are no longer seen as a party of low taxation following Philip Hammond’s tax raid on the self-employed, a new poll for The Telegraph shows.

Just one in four voters now regards the Tories as a low-tax party, while almost half of those polled say they trust the Conservatives less as a result of Mr Hammond’s Budget. More than half of voters – 55 per cent – say Theresa May should have honoured the party’s manifesto pledge not to raise taxes.

Figures on voting intentions are equally worrying for the Prime Minister, with almost half of those questioned saying they are less likely to vote Tory because of the Budget, including one in seven Conservative voters.

And this Muppet show of a Government are going to Negotiate a good deal with the EU?

Oh , really? fancy that!
 
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Have you ever noticed me using substitute words meant to be crude just to avoid a Vulgarity filter?

Tell you what, when you do then you can feel free to do the same.
Debate like an Adult, or don't debate at all.

And when caught out, don't squirm as you just did and blame others.
I'll get an extra counsellor for you too. I can see you find these squiggles on your computer so upsetting. There there.

Oldgroaner - they're just words. They can't hurt you. Thats childish to think they can. Just words. Just lines on a page. That's all they actually are. The meaning you give them is entirely your own. Bless your cotton socks.
 

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Really? You posted this:

"It was simply I remember so well back in 1993 and how terrible I felt back then. I was depressed for ages. How could he have signed that deal?"

So I presume you were happier before that, a quarter of a century ago. That's the past, a time long gone.
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Dang you're right and I'm wrong. I knew sooner or later this would happen.

What I meant was...... ah never mind. You can guess what I meant.
 

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Add the religious slaughter of animals to that. It needs stamping out immediately regardless of any "community issues." It has reached the stage now where the meat from un-stunned animals that have had their throats torn open by a maniac chanting garbage, is reaching the tables of normal people.
Wow. Who is this 'Robdon'? Who disagrees with what Tillson wrote there strongly enough to be bothered to tick the menu at the bottom and say so. I guess the truth is some people really don't care about ACTUAL suffering caused to another creature (note Oldgroaner actual suffering not you being offended by seeing your definition of bad language).

I had a similar argument with a 'friend' in the US who was about to dock her dogs ears - to make the dog look better (so she thought - though her argument was that it was for the dog's good). How some people justify such behaviour is beyond me.
 

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'Fatties'? Really? It's OK to say that? Some people have a bonafide medical condition - they really can't help it. What if you called somebody a 'blackie'? Would that be OK? No. It would not. As you well know.
But you said "they're just words. They can't hurt you. Thats childish to think they can. Just words. Just lines on a page."

Am I to presume that you may have a medical condition?
 

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I'll get an extra counsellor for you too. I can see you find these squiggles on your computer so upsetting. There there.

Oldgroaner - they're just words. They can't hurt you. Thats childish to think they can. Just words. Just lines on a page. That's all they actually are. The meaning you give them is entirely your own. Bless your cotton socks.
Are you making a rather futile attempt to appear wise? and even taking on the onerous task of using mild sarcasm?
Don't bother, it would need more talent than you can muster.

If they are "just words" why don't you try not to abuse them? it would add a level of credibility , in the unlikely event that you should you accidentally stumble upon a coherent argument in support of Brexit being a success.

Do you really imagine anything you could say would upset me?
Such misplaced vanity!
 
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oldgroaner

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Wow. Who is this 'Robdon'? Who disagrees with what Tillson wrote there strongly enough to be bothered to tick the menu at the bottom and say so. I guess the truth is some people really don't care about ACTUAL suffering caused to another creature (note Oldgroaner actual suffering not you being offended by seeing your definition of bad language).

I had a similar argument with a 'friend' in the US who was about to dock her dogs ears - to make the dog look better (so she thought - though her argument was that it was for the dog's good). How some people justify such behaviour is beyond me.
You really should read posts before commenting,you will then note that I agreed with tillson about animal cruelty, which places your unnecessary post about me into the inane remark category, along with the rest of your contributions.
 
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From the Sun
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Shoplift Charter
Police will ‘ignore all thefts up to £100’ in Hungerford following budget cuts


Shop owners are expected to fill out a form and hand it into police if shoplifters steal less than £100 worth of items"
Councillor Carolann Farrell asked: “So less than £100 and you won’t be coming out?” Sgt Nicholls replied “Yes”. She added: “We need to be more cost effective in these times of austerity.”

“We will be working more closely with the council to deal with somethings – it will be much quicker and more flexible.

“In these times of austerity we need to be more cost effective.”

A fine example of what to expect for the Future perhaps the criminals will approve of this, but who else will?
lets take back control, eh?
 
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From the Telegraph
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Tories no longer seen as low-tax party after Philip Hammond's Budget raid – exclusive Telegraph poll
The Conservatives are no longer seen as a party of low taxation following Philip Hammond’s tax raid on the self-employed, a new poll for The Telegraph shows.

Just one in four voters now regards the Tories as a low-tax party, while almost half of those polled say they trust the Conservatives less as a result of Mr Hammond’s Budget. More than half of voters – 55 per cent – say Theresa May should have honoured the party’s manifesto pledge not to raise taxes.

Figures on voting intentions are equally worrying for the Prime Minister, with almost half of those questioned saying they are less likely to vote Tory because of the Budget, including one in seven Conservative voters.

And this Muppet show of a Government are going to Negotiate a good deal with the EU?

Oh , really? fancy that!
Just remind me again, is the Telegraph a Tory controlled rag intended to manipulate us? It changes so often from gospel truth to fabricated propaganda that I lose track of what it is from one day to the next.

Perhaps you could consider starting your posts along the lines: Today the Telegraph / Daily Mail / etc, Is / Is Not telling the truth. Then just delete Is or Is Is Not to reflect an anti-Conservstive or anti-BREXIT agenda.
 
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