Brexit, for once some facts.
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Only of you are prepared to live on third world wages and conditions
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How about a "Greenland Model"? Greenland (which left the EEC in 1985) is formally a county within Denmark. So there is a precedent for a country having EU and non-EU regions.
In this model there would be no Brexit, Clause 50 would not be invoked, and the United Kingdom (consisting of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar) would remain within the EU. England and Wales would become non-EU regions of the United Kingdom, like Greenland.
Of course, the absence of an English government would be a bit of a problem (Greenland has devolved home rule). Perhaps England could be considered a Welsh colony? Wales is the only "leave" region with a government.
I'm joking, of course, but seriously, Brexit produces some major challenges but also an opportunity to build a better nation in the long term. It's perhaps particularly up to those of us who favoured "remain" to ensure that opportunity is taken.
Only about 14.5 million more signatures needed then to overtake the out vote. Good luck with that.
we trade already with all of them.
If we trade a bit more with them after Brexit, it could be put down to the current positive trend while still inside the EU. It's got to be spectacular progress to prove the point that outside is better than inside.
I never said we're on to a winner..... but unlike you, i'm prepared to give it a chance and see what pans out. You dont know what will happen in the next few years anymore than i do.
The only logical model is the Albanian one, brexiters wouldn't tolerate a Boris that pushes the Norwegian, essentially bremain minus minus one. Ive come round and think this good,perhaps the prosperous UK of the noughties wasn't existentially a good thing,maybe what the UK needs is a fresh start from the bottom of the barrel. For me having to make a fresh start, even if elsewhere still as a result of brexit,feels increasingly good,creative,perhaps overdue.
I think you have missed the point I was trying to make.
It is not about trade it is about an Organization to protect themselves against Western influences. They will combine a quarter of the Worlds population, a substantial amount of energy resources, more if Iran and Syria join, and a fair share of the global wealth.
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Let us consider this for a moment:
The, "experts" warned us of financial armageddon if we left the EU. The same, "experts" predicted that IN would win the referendum and effectively bet the family silver on that outcome with sufficient confidence not to have any real Plan B.
Whilst still punch drunk from the OUT vote, we get a glimpse of how the, "experts" arrived at their initial forecast. It seems that they have been relying on the advice of Turf Accountants! Foolishly following the odds. Don't forget that these same "experts / clowns" had a big hand in crashing the economy a few years ago and it seems that little has changed in their, "shoot from the hip" culture.
Lets all settle down. The pound fell hugely and the stock market dropped like a stone on Friday morning. However, both recovered some of the initial loss. The pound has been much lower in recent years than it closed on Friday. I can remember 1.11 Euro to the pound not so long ago. 1.23 today. The UK stock market was one of the best performing in Europe on Friday. There will be ups and downs. peaks and troughs, but I think the above factors give an indication that the EU need us. We need the EU too, so lets all bury our pride, stop listening to Foxy Bingo man and make this new era work.
If oldgroaner wants to sit there with his fingers and toes crossed wishing with all his heart for the UK economy to crash, let him, it makes no difference.
The, "experts" warned us of financial armageddon if we left the EU. The same, "experts" predicted that IN would win the referendum and effectively bet the family silver on that outcome with sufficient confidence not to have any real Plan B.
Whilst still punch drunk from the OUT vote, we get a glimpse of how the, "experts" arrived at their initial forecast. It seems that they have been relying on the advice of Turf Accountants! Foolishly following the odds. Don't forget that these same "experts / clowns" had a big hand in crashing the economy a few years ago and it seems that little has changed in their, "shoot from the hip" culture.
Lets all settle down. The pound fell hugely and the stock market dropped like a stone on Friday morning. However, both recovered some of the initial loss. The pound has been much lower in recent years than it closed on Friday. I can remember 1.11 Euro to the pound not so long ago. 1.23 today. The UK stock market was one of the best performing in Europe on Friday. There will be ups and downs. peaks and troughs, but I think the above factors give an indication that the EU need us. We need the EU too, so lets all bury our pride, stop listening to Foxy Bingo man and make this new era work.
If oldgroaner wants to sit there with his fingers and toes crossed wishing with all his heart for the UK economy to crash, let him, it makes no difference.
Not you as well? it's like the old comedy line from Kenneth Williams in Carry on Cleo "Infamy Infamy they've all got it in for me!"
I have no wish to see the economy crash and even less to see people have their working conditions and wages damaged , and that is going to be the result.
The Stock market and pound were expected to come back as is normal, and for the record unlike the experts you go on about I did forecast a Brexit win, didn't I ? and also the things I said had been lied about have indeed proved to be true.
And you think all will be well? I hope you are right, but really, are you suffering from delusions?
Tata are out, the foreign industries here are far from happy, and the newspapers are promoting Putin for some crazy reason he's getting very favourable copy over wanting to trade isn't he?
Do you imagine it will be in our interests to get involved with forming a rival trade bloc to the EU?
The banks are already on the move, look around you without wearing blinkers, and there is no reason to assume things will stop there.
( this isn't Flud its his representative,hegot too sick of OG to carry on on here) but he,s asked me to suggest OG might change his mind if eu get their way with Caravans, Caravan MOT,s and tests for licenses. EU like caravans a bit less than Clarkson. They initiated testing for all with licenses gained after 97..
OG, get off to Whitby but don't take your phone but before you go
A) Listen to Andrew Neil.
B) read Woodruff and Hargreaves Lansdown reports.
C)Don't do any electrical work. You,d never recognise positive.
OG, get off to Whitby but don't take your phone but before you go
A) Listen to Andrew Neil.
B) read Woodruff and Hargreaves Lansdown reports.
C)Don't do any electrical work. You,d never recognise positive.
If you were not sure it was going to be a winner what ever possessed you to vote to leave the EU?
And now you are prepared to take a chance? so I have to as well?
Thanks for nothing.
I'll make a prediction in fact two:
- we either end up back in the EU
- we end up as a client state to it that pays the membership fee and has to accept the rules as we can't have any say in changing them.
Like you told us Farage was negotiating exit ?? But then changed your mind ...
That must be quickest thumbs down in history. You didn't have time to listen to Neil or down load reports never mind read them..but you don't need to do you..?
Hi Flud, how're you doing?
A) heard it, not impressed
B) Read them, been disproved by other experts.
C) My name is on a Worldwide Patent on behalf of the Company I worked for for a electrical control system for a whirlpool bath.
refreshing to see you haven't changed, still diplomatic and wise as ever, but it's great to have you back.
If this isn't Flud, but his representative, please pass the message on with my best wishes when you visit him, and say I hope he soon gets better.
Anything else i can help you with?
I would not bank on it. Banks and financial services will remain weak. I am much more concerned with the value of the Pound, we may see the Pound stuck at $1.35-$1.40 for the foreseable future. This means oil, gas, electronics and machinery will go up by 7%-10%, food paid mostly in Euro will go up by 5% and GDP by international standard down by 7%-10%. Our economy will firmly be behind France's.
I raised this around a year ago in this forum, using it to show what was possible within the EU.
That would be fun. Wales is currently also a principality of England with the Prince of Wales (Charles Windsor).
Since the royal family is also that of Wales, the Welsh could have England as a principality of Wales, with Charles as the Prince of England instead.
It would confuse the hell out of the EU leaders!
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The path ahead will be unsure markets and exchanges will see a lot more movement especially with the party internal politics and elections to come as well as a general election more then likely next spring. The clamour for the result to be challenged or annulled is frankly rubbish because if it was overturned and the EU said yes come back it would be under their terms, we would have to except all policies we currently have a veto on, no rebate, the pound would be gone and replaced by the euro all the things the UK government have opposed. Our standing within the EU would be even worse then it was previously and then we were looked at as trouble makers or the odd man out.
Wrong again! how do you do it? I didn't say Farage was negotiating exit , he said it the the Newspapers, you really really must pay attention!
If you can find someone who can read the link is here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/furious-nigel-farage-to-take-control-of-britains-exit-from-the-e/
And I'll make it even easier with an extract
Furious Nigel Farage to take control of Britain's exit from the EU in Brussels after Vote Leave freezes him out
And I did read the reports and also reports that declared them to be nonsense
Once again you have got it wrong, haven't you?
Largely agree, but if a second referendum reversed the result before we notified article 50, nothing would change.
I'm against a second referendum though, just raising this technicality.
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