Brexit, for once some facts.

[trex]

@tillson - that was an hypothetic argument. The BBC have done an awful lot explaining the arguments on both sides, this time without worrying about neutrality. No need for repetition here, anyone interested would have heard these broadcasts already. I have maintained right at the beginning of this thread and the one before it that I think the country needs to go through Brexit, if only to prove that the grass is not greener on the other side. A year from now, the passions of the referendum will have died down and a new government will begin the task of negociating our future in Europe.
Those who think the UK will do very well outside the EU should look into the job that Jonathan Hill, our Commisioner in Brussels, does and the troubles caused to our financial services by Brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

I have just been listening to this man wriggle
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03zfw9m
Amazing what a difference his remarks would have made had he said them last week, I wonder how this is going down with the people who voted leave as for many this was a major concern to them, they must be wondering what else was a lie.
And then you have to wonder what these supporters would think if they actually knew that what governs our treatment of Refugees is the 1961 United Nations agreement we signed which is unchanged when we leave the EU
In other words they have gained nothing whatsoever have they, and he was even so incautious to say that the Government may decide to actually let more people in!
If this is the level of intellect we can expect from this Government that doesn't even recognise when it is stupid to make such a revelation at this delicate moment, we/they are in serious trouble!
We have enough challenges to face without this bloody fool making matters worse with his loose talk.letting the cat out of the bag that they lied to the voters.

 

[tillson]

I have just been listening to this man wriggle
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03zfw9m
Amazing what a difference his remarks would have made had he said them last week, I wonder how this is going down with the people who voted leave as for many this was a major concern to them, they must be wondering what else was a lie.
And then you have to wonder what these supporters would think if they actually knew that what governs our treatment of Refugees is the 1961 United Nations agreement we signed which is unchanged when we leave the EU
In other words they have gained nothing whatsoever have they, and he was even so incautious to say that the Government may decide to actually let more people in!
If this is the level of intellect we can expect from this Government that doesn't even recognise when it is stupid to make such a revelation at this delicate moment, we/they are in serious trouble!
We have enough challenges to face without this bloody fool making matters worse with his loose talk.letting the cat out of the bag that they lied to the voters.

I've not listened to your link, but I may have heard the same programme on Radio 4 as I was driving to the shops.

I got fed up with hearing all the , we get its and we need to listen mores, but I did hear Ken Clarke make a very good point about refugees. Basically nothing will or can change. I'm happy with that and I'm pleased that I voted out.

 

[oldgroaner]

I've not listened to your link, but I may have heard the same programme on Radio 4 as I was driving to the shops.

I got fed up with hearing all the , we get its and we need to listen mores, but I did hear Ken Clarke make a very good point about refugees. Basically nothing will or can change. I'm happy with that and I'm pleased that I voted out.

So am I, with regards immigration, but making the point that he could have lost your cause for you, and is doing the relative peace of this moment no good at all among leave's supporters who may have qualms about the way they voted, or do you think he was wise to bring it up now? I certainly don't.
Its not a case of scoring points the time for that is well gone, but is certainly a time to be guarded when speaking to the public.

 

[Gubbins]

Well that's not going to happen. What if the vote went the other way, have another referendum? Then another? One more for good luck.

The nation has spoken in a democratic exercise where each vote counts. The result is that the UK will be leaving the EU. Remain, along with the Scottish part of the UK, which they voted to be part of, need to suck that up and accept it.

. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity (thanks, Einstein).

 

[derf]

@tillson - that was an hypothetic argument. The BBC have done an awful lot explaining the arguments on both sides, this time without worrying about neutrality. No need for repetition here, anyone interested would have heard these broadcasts already. I have maintained right at the beginning of this thread and the one before it that I think the country needs to go through Brexit, if only to prove that the grass is not greener on the other side. A year from now, the passions of the referendum will have died down and a new government will begin the task of negociating our future in Europe.
Those who think the UK will do very well outside the EU should look into the job that Jonathan Hill, our Commisioner in Brussels, does and the troubles caused to our financial services by Brexit.

yes, although I imagine this grants the wish for less economic development in the uk you mentioned earlier in the thread? I think its obvious to all who can see the facts/reality that life outside the eu will be very difficult. In my department for now around a third to half of us are applying for posts outside the uk or considering it (for a mix of motives, some, me included, don't relish living in a community governed by older, uneducated, self-centered reactionary voters; others see the drop in the pound as the beginning of much more of the same, and the uk becoming financially much less attractive).

 

[oldgroaner]

John of Gaunt's speech in Richard II concludes:
"That England that was wont to conquer others/Hath made a shameful conquest of itself."
Seems to sum our situation up perfectly to me

Thus begins a loss of talent where we can hardly claim to have a surplus.

 

[oldgroaner]

yes, although I imagine this grants the wish for less economic development in the uk you mentioned earlier in the thread? I think its obvious to all who can see the facts/reality that life outside the eu will be very difficult. In my department for now around a third to half of us are applying for posts outside the uk or considering it (for a mix of motives, some, me included, don't relish living in a community governed by older, uneducated, self-centered reactionary voters; others see the drop in the pound as the beginning of much more of the same, and the uk becoming financially much less attractive).

Hang on there! Just a Cotton pickin' minute thar boy!
at least one "older, uneducated, self-centered reactionary voter" was in favour of Remain, remember?

 

[trex]

Thus begins a loss of talent where we can hardly claim to have a surplus.

England too good for Brexiters?
You'll wake up tomorrow morning smelling coffee and croissants.
it was but a bad dream.

 

[Yamdude]

Its all so terribly, terribly awful i can hardly bare it.....

Oh hang on, nothing detrimental has happened to me yet over it...... back to not giving a f*** mode.
I'll drop in again if that changes...... in the meantime i'm sure there'll be enough pessimistic misery on this thread for the foreseeable.

 

[trex]

according to the Washington post:

The British are frantically Googling what the E.U. is, hours after voting to leave it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

2,162,517 signatures so far.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/signatures/new

 

[oldgroaner]

England too good for Brexiters?
You'll wake up tomorrow morning smelling coffee and croissants.
it was but a bad dream.

If I do that I can't have spent the night with the wife as I usually make breakfast, and it never includes either Coffee of Croissants
Hmm perhaps it might be worth a try? shh! she's coming back!

 

[oldgroaner]

according to the Washington post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

2,162,517 signatures so far.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/signatures/new

Ladbrokes will be taking bets as to whether or not there will be more signatures on the Petition than votes registered for Brexit!
Clearly the Dementia I fear is setting in, I have this terrible urge to laugh hysterically!

 

[oldgroaner]

Its all so terribly, terribly awful i can hardly bare it.....

Oh hang on, nothing detrimental has happened to me yet over it...... back to not giving a f*** mode.
I'll drop in again if that changes...... in the meantime i'm sure there'll be enough pessimistic misery on this thread for the foreseeable.

No it is actually Comedy Noir of the purest form.

 

[tillson]

John of Gaunt's speech in Richard II concludes:
"That England that was wont to conquer others/Hath made a shameful conquest of itself."
Seems to sum our situation up perfectly to me

Thus begins a loss of talent where we can hardly claim to have a surplus.

Nobody is going anywhere.

 

[oldgroaner]

Have you refused them permission?

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[tillson]

according to the Washington post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

2,162,517 signatures so far.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/signatures/new

They LOST. Suck it up!

 

[tillson]

Have you refused them permission?

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They have it too good here to leave and they know it. Those that go, just go. Those that stay are always saying they are going. This works in all walks of life. The doers do, the sayers don't.

 

[mike killay]

Well, seeing that we have such a glut of them, I suppose that at least sour grapes will be cheaper.

 

[trex]

...
The doers do, the sayers don't.

when the next Chancellor presents his first budget, the UK will realize the cost of Brexit. The 9.1% drop in the value of the Pound on Friday will make very few people happy. The UK's economy is now 6th in the world, behind France's. The Welsh who voted for Brexit now find out that the proposed deal for Port Talbot is not going ahead.
By next May, it will be clear that the grass is not greener on the other side.

I don't think that this protest vote is a good enough reason to change the future of our relationship with the EU.