Brexit, for once some facts.

trex

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The path ahead will be unsure markets and exchanges will see a lot more movement especially with the party internal politics and elections to come as well as a general election more then likely next spring. The clamour for the result to be challenged or annulled is frankly rubbish because if it was overturned and the EU said yes come back it would be under their terms, we would have to except all policies we currently have a veto on, no rebate, the pound would be gone and replaced by the euro all the things the UK government have opposed. Our standing within the EU would be even worse then it was previously and then we were looked at as trouble makers or the odd man out.
I think the intention of the petitioners is to play for time, work out a strategy then put the new strategy to the electorate before invoking article 50. This time, the vote may go to remain.

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derf

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I raised this around a year ago in this forum, using it to show what was possible within the EU.



That would be fun. Wales is currently also a principality of England with the Prince of Wales (Charles Windsor).

Since the royal family is also that of Wales, the Welsh could have England as a principality of Wales, with Charles as the Prince of England instead.

It would confuse the hell out of the EU leaders! :D
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Okey-dokey, here's another similar more immediate available lifeline
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland
For all those cognitively challenged reactionary types who are ever so slowly seeing the light
 

Yamdude

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If you were not sure it was going to be a winner what ever possessed you to vote to leave the EU?
And now you are prepared to take a chance? so I have to as well?
Thanks for nothing.
I'll make a prediction in fact two:
  • we either end up back in the EU
  • we end up as a client state to it that pays the membership fee and has to accept the rules as we can't have any say in changing them.
And that is what your protest vote has achieved: Nothing of value.
Hilarious !!....... now your making assumptions on how i voted. I may not even have voted at all.
 

oldgroaner

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Largely agree, but if a second referendum reversed the result before we notified article 50, nothing would change.

I'm against a second referendum though, just raising this technicality.
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I'm against a second referendum too, the consequences of the decision made have to be faced and will prove one or other side correct, even though of course there is a high probability that it will take years to get back to where we started afterwards, and by that time i shall have no worries anyway of any kind.
 
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oldgroaner

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Hilarious !!....... now your making assumptions on how i voted. I may not even have voted at all.
Do I take it then that you are making comments in favour of something you have no involvement with? the discussion did indeed make assumptions, one of which being that you were not simply trying to "stir things up" for a bit of fun.
Now I have to agree with you! well done! we can always do with a bit of comic relief;)
 

oldgroaner

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Do I take it then that you are making comments in favour of something you have no involvement with? the discussion did indeed make assumptions, one of which being that you were not simply trying to "stir things up" for a bit of fun.
Now I have to agree with you! well done! we can always do with a bit of comic relief;)
Ps: Attempted sarcastic put down's need better material than that.
 
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Hi Flud, how're you doing?
A) heard it, not impressed
B) Read them, been disproved by other experts.
C) My name is on a Worldwide Patent on behalf of the Company I worked for for a electrical control system for a whirlpool bath.

refreshing to see you haven't changed, still diplomatic and wise as ever, but it's great to have you back.
If this isn't Flud, but his representative, please pass the message on with my best wishes when you visit him, and say I hope he soon gets better.
Anything else i can help you with? ;)
Afraid you are lying now OG. The,HL full report us only available to investors with them and it still has to be paid for.Its not even sent electronically.Please prove me wrong be informing us all wo wrote it or quoting any aspect you wish.
Looking forward to Farage negotiating our exit ???
 
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Yamdude

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Do I take it then that you are making comments in favour of something you have no involvement with? the discussion did indeed make assumptions, one of which being that you were not simply trying to "stir things up" for a bit of fun.
Now I have to agree with you! well done! we can always do with a bit of comic relief;)
I've not made comments in favour of Brexit or against. I given reasons why i think some people MIGHT have voted out and i've stated i dont know for certain what will happen in the future, i cant see into the future and neither can you.
I'm prepared to wait & see...... instead of getting all worked up about what might, or might not, happen.
 

Nealh

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Largely agree, but if a second referendum reversed the result before we notified article 50, nothing would change.

I'm against a second referendum though, just raising this technicality.
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The EU would have the upper hand and would not accept the status quo as before they would insist or demand we verify their new terms, any how I don't see any U turns as the disenchanted swathes would march leading to rioting.
Back to the bad days of the poll tax and other inner city riots of the 80's &90's.
 

flecc

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The EU would have the upper hand and would not accept the status quo
Not so, the refererendum was only advisory, not mandatory, and in any case entirely a internal affair of the UK. The EU has no authority to make any change in our current status quo.

Only our serving article 50 notice would change that, hence them urging us to move quickly in doing that since they cannot do anything meanwhile.
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derf

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Not so, the refererendum was only advisory, not mandatory, and in any case entirely a internal affair of the UK. The EU has no authority to make any change in our current status quo.

Only our serving article 50 notice would change that, hence them urging us to move quickly in doing that since they cannot do anything meanwhile.
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i'm not english, but if this kind of typical english fudge is achieved i believe tehre will be approximately ten generations of offspring from the current brexiters that will eternally thank the current political class from preventing their obtuse parents from throwing teh baby bathjwater and sink into an abyss.
 

derf

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i'm not english, but if this kind of typical english fudge is achieved i believe tehre will be approximately ten generations of offspring from the current brexiters that will eternally thank the current political class from preventing their obtuse parents from throwing teh baby bathjwater and sink into an abyss.
before merrilly leaping after it
 
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derf

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i'm not english, but if this kind of typical english fudge is achieved i believe tehre will be approximately ten generations of offspring from the current brexiters that will eternally thank the current political class from preventing their obtuse parents from throwing teh baby bathjwater and sink into an abyss.
ie scotland blocking it or similar..
 
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derf

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I think England would be more likely to hold a referendum on independence from Scotland.
evidently there are still some voters who need to experience a more meaningful dose of reality before the denial begins to wear of properly
 
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flecc

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I think England would be more likely to hold a referendum on independence from Scotland.
Well it is true that a large number of the English supported the idea of Scottish independence. Whether that could translate into actively seeking separation is another matter though, I don't think most would be bothered enough about it.
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flecc

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i'm not english, but if this kind of typical english fudge is achieved i believe tehre will be approximately ten generations of offspring from the current brexiters that will eternally thank the current political class from preventing their obtuse parents from throwing teh baby bathjwater and sink into an abyss.
There's no doubt that a very large proportion of the young are concerned and disappointed by the referendum result. It's their future and I think we have let them down very badly.

If we exit without a Norway type deal, they'll probably take us back into the EU eventually.
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