My code for life Tom, even when I'm driving or riding.
I remember Bertrand Russell in the 1960s near the end of his life when I worked as a service engineer in his London West End office at times. Retirement wasn't for him, he worked to the end.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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I remember Bertrand Russell in the 1960s near the end of his life when I worked as a service engineer in his London West End office at times. Retirement wasn't for him, he worked to the end.
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I can see the importance of that and I believe that the EU has been very instrumental in bringing about the long period of peace which Europe has enjoyed.
I can't see why European nations, including the UK. can't continue to cooperate on such matters post BREXIT. The UK has maintained that it wants to continue being a good neighbour and to cooperate on counter terrorism and security matters. I accept that BREXIT puts some of this at risk, but I believe the mechanisms which have maintained peace will continue post BREXIT.
A great many real people will disagree with your assessment.
I know 2 real examples. A bosnian refugee who came here when she was 3 to escape the war. She's been here 20 + years now, but she's well aware she is/was a refugee, and she's Muslim. But she's white and blonde, so no one gives her any trouble, but she still feels it!
Another friend moved here from Spain for Uni and stayed because she liked it... she's not planning on staying here much longer.
Read this is you want to see some real work examples of what the vote has caused.
https://www.facebook.com/the3million/
I'm not confident of this, I see two elements present.
There's the EU with a deeply ingrained desire for peace, this being the very basis of the organisation's foundation.
And there's NATO, which with it's aggressive US dominance is very much the opposite, following policies looking for trouble and even extending NATO (North Atlantic!) to war half way round the world.
Brexit leaves the UK with just the latter, and if the EU failed, Europe would only have the latter and a certainty of continuing wars.
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Till son....I suggest you get out more and talk to people,walk into your local care home and ask the EU people want they think of Brexit. There is no shortage of work for all people,whether they are UK or EU,there is a shortage of people with skills ,the EU workers tend to have a better work ethic,but nobody wants to stay in a country where they are not welcome and this government certainly sends out those signals.
With regard to travelling abroad ,I am not talking about the laddish behaviour by stags.....I am talking about the arrogant attitudes of the likes of Rees-Mogg and Redwood,the old school tie has no special regard in Europe,we are about to learn that bullish attitudes will have no traction in these negotiations. Yet Hammonds threats today suggesting that we will become a low tax Singaporean tax haven if we don't get what we want will get nothing from Europe.
How can you say that my anti Brexit stance is groundless....unless you have been living in a bubble for the last few months Brexit is doing a pretty good job of discrediting itself....just a few starters...
Where is the £11billion that Boris promised.
The awful way we are treating the 3 million EU here.
We promised to keep the EU grants,Cornwall was promised £60 million,reduced by Brexit to £18 million.
The possible break up of our union,directly caused by Brexit.
The £60 billion 'war chest' that Hammond is having to store,that money could have gone to the NHS.
The money that Theresa May wasted on the court cases.
The death of Joe Cox by the Brexit idiot.
The fall in the value of the £ causing price rises.
The risk that the car assemblers will quit the UK with thousands of job losses.
The risk that the city of London will lose its status as the focus of world finance,with possible thousands of job losses
The risk that crops will rot in the fields because of lack of workers to harvest.
Will that lot do for starters,hardly 'groundless'.
Now reciprocate and tell us what good has Brexit achieved so far and what we can look forward in the future.
I spoke to a Brexiter at one of the auto shows....he was crowing about 'winning' Brexit.....I asked him what he had won? .....he looked bemused so I helped him.....if you won the Lottery,they give you money,if you won the Olympics,they give you a medal,so what have you won?....he had no answer and told me to .f......off......so I Ask you Tillson,what have you won?
KudosDave
Ah well, that's all right then! We'll be just fine - nothing to worry about......Chamberlain virtually said as much in September 1938!
Tom
But that is a group of people motivated by a particular agenda. It does not give a true impression of the entire cross-section which ranges from those experiencing hatred to those who feel happy and fully integrated.
In or out of the EU, this matter and Turkey's position at the present time should be a worry for people all across Europe. Erdogan seems to be a loose cannon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39173296
Tom
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39173296
Tom
.............and yet more groundless attempts to discredit.
Wow Tillson lost for words,I am disappointed.
Was the guy at the Auto Show the only response that Brexiters have when faced with grounded arguments, which is a bit of a worry because it reinforces the view that most Brexiters really are not intelligent and didn't really know what they were voting for ...I am sure there are some who are intelligent and can respond with plausible arguments as to why we are continuing with this ridiculous experiment.
KudosDave
Just wondering whether Theresa May is intending to trigger A50 on March 13 because the anti Brexit march is planned for London on March 25.
Also there are giant posters around the UK questioning the hard Brexit that May is intending.
Anti Brexit movement is starting to gain momentum,that will embolden EU negotiators to know that many are still not keen on Brexit,making May's hard Brexit more difficult.
KudosDave
Also there are giant posters around the UK questioning the hard Brexit that May is intending.
Anti Brexit movement is starting to gain momentum,that will embolden EU negotiators to know that many are still not keen on Brexit,making May's hard Brexit more difficult.
KudosDave
Of course, this is your opinion. Now we need to determine how much importance and credibility we can attach to your opinions. I have come to a conclusion in that regard.
This is an act of sabotage. BREXIT is going to happen, the decision is made. The referendum may have been advisory, but the government have now acted upon the advice and decided to take the UK out of the EU.
What must not happen now is reckless acts of spiteful sabotage by mean spirited & sour losers. This public display of disunity will undermine the UK's negotiating position.
Correct procedures have been followed which have resulted in the UK being about to leave the EU. It's now time to put aside the hurt of losing and to present a united front to our negotiating opposition.
Wrong again Tom. Two and two do indeed not make five. And if you think we're about to step back from the brink and remain in the UK? Wrong once more! Thats a lot of wrong for one Sunday.
Who knows. Maybe Brexit will be the dose of salts it needs to put its house in order and 'get with the plot'. Maybe. I somehow doubt it. Did you see their latest 'five possible futures' document? You can almost completely discount four (no guesses for which ones) - leaving you only with option 5 - no prizes for guessing what that one is..... oh you got it - MORE INTEGRATION.
You see us Brits - well 52% of the ones that give a t**s - do not like the idea of 'integration' with 27 other countries. We rather like being Brits. We're stubborn like that. So the idea that we will lose control over everything - our borders and laws (oops we already did that right?) - well we just don't f*******g like that! Its just not 'us'. Well. Some of us. And we won the vote. So for a while we get to make the rules. And that folks - is how democracy works around here.
Ah Plon! How's your brother, Wayne?
I thought you'd pop up with a new expression of the benefits 'Brexit' will bring to we UK taxpayers.........Yep, I 'm wrong again!
Just explain for me though; how am I wrong in knowing that two and two don't add up to five?
Tom
This 'march' will have no impact. Its the death rattle of the losers. It will change nothing. But it will give some people a purpose for the day. They will feel they made a difference.