I'm confident that le Pen won't get in.
But if she did and the EU was threatened in the way you describe, they wouldn't scrap it, they'd just rush in some workarounds, knowing that the French situation wouldn't last long.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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But if she did and the EU was threatened in the way you describe, they wouldn't scrap it, they'd just rush in some workarounds, knowing that the French situation wouldn't last long.
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OG, I try to avoid reading the ramblings of 'OxygenJames' but those bits that are unavoidable bear an uncanny resemblance to the nonsensical ramblings of that other 'Brexidiot', 'Zlatan'.
'Zlatan', you will remember, is the one who suddenly ceased posting on February 25th, the name only popping up a couple of times since to support Mr Pomposity, the hard-hearted 'Tillson', with a 'like'. That was three days before 'OxygenJames' suddenly entered the 'Brexit' thread, having amazingly avoided participation in spite of being a 'Pedelecs' member for 5 years, straight after he bought an EAPC after losing his driving licence.
I'm sure that's no more than coincidence.......well, I'm sure those two facts couldn't be related in any way......even though the similarities in content and style are almost identical. I mean, if there were any connection, I would regard that as deceitful in a way but I'm probably just making two and two add up to five. Not that it matters though as neither has ever contributed any worthwhile material to justify the huge leap of faith that is 'Brexit'. Indeed, the more I read from these anti-EU fans, the more convinced I am that the UK's best hope for the future is to step back from the brink and remain in the EU.
Tom
'Zlatan', you will remember, is the one who suddenly ceased posting on February 25th, the name only popping up a couple of times since to support Mr Pomposity, the hard-hearted 'Tillson', with a 'like'. That was three days before 'OxygenJames' suddenly entered the 'Brexit' thread, having amazingly avoided participation in spite of being a 'Pedelecs' member for 5 years, straight after he bought an EAPC after losing his driving licence.
I'm sure that's no more than coincidence.......well, I'm sure those two facts couldn't be related in any way......even though the similarities in content and style are almost identical. I mean, if there were any connection, I would regard that as deceitful in a way but I'm probably just making two and two add up to five. Not that it matters though as neither has ever contributed any worthwhile material to justify the huge leap of faith that is 'Brexit'. Indeed, the more I read from these anti-EU fans, the more convinced I am that the UK's best hope for the future is to step back from the brink and remain in the EU.
Tom
If she becomes the next French President, she will have plenty of time to wait for the brexit result before calling for a referendum.
If she doesn't, she will most likely win the one in 2024.
You are wrong WTO tariffs average out at 10%. The current EU/UK tariff from China is about 4% average.
If you take the situation of BMW Mini...parts cross the Channel 4 times just to assemble the Mini in the UK. 50% of Minis are already made in the EU,if you were BMW it is surely logical to only make those Minis that are sold in the UK to avoid the 10% tariff,that will considerably reduce the capacity at Coventry.
Remember the final assembly plant is often the cheaper and mobile part of car production....jigs,fixtures,robotics are easily transferable
I can see Toyota,Nissan,JLR,Honda doing similar and only after they have squeezed additional grants out of Theresa May,on the excuse of making more product here to avoid the tariffs.....in other words we will invest more money to have smaller businesses,but at least politically it will appear that the government have gained out of Brexit.
It is true that the weaker £ is forcing up prices from Asia and in some cases this has resulted in manufacturing returning to the UK. But we don't have the manufacturing base to take advantage of on shoring and the 20% increase in Asian costs is not enough to commit to moving,it is easier to just put prices up in the UK.....anyway if Trump destroys the dollar,the £ may relatively increase in value.
Will the people who voted for Brexit in the hope it would improve their living standards wait 20 years to see the result? I think they thought it would take only a couple of years maximum.
Dyson talking about investing in the UK.....yeh!, talk is cheap....he got a lot of negative press when he moved production to Malaysia,such an announcement is good publicity. I could say that I am planning to move Kudos cycles production back to the UK,post Brexit,it would be good publicity and who is to say I won't do it,hehe........
KudosDave
the independent reports a figure of £4.5bn possible cost to British exporters.
It's not exactly huge.
The Treasury gets more than that back.
Peter Whittle,deputy leader of UKIP is the biggest hypocrite,he is saying on the TV that UKIP is now the friend of immigration. Do you remember Nigel Farage standing in front of the anti immigration poster.
UKIP are getting their way,immigrants think they are not welcome here,this is doctors,construction workers(we need more houses),care workers,farm workers,restaurant/hotel workers.....these people are desperately needed and we are not training Brits to replace them.
KudosDave
UKIP are getting their way,immigrants think they are not welcome here,this is doctors,construction workers(we need more houses),care workers,farm workers,restaurant/hotel workers.....these people are desperately needed and we are not training Brits to replace them.
KudosDave
This government have already started to renege on their promises to maintain the EU regional development grants. Cornwall was promised £60 million by the EU ,this government have reduced that to £18million and haven't even triggered Article 50.
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I have said before, the EU has outlived it's usefulness and has been the architect of its own downfall. They have stubbornly embarked on a path that is unpopular with the people that they serve, dismissing their views as either stupid or irrelevant. Just like many of the pro-remain posters on here.
Well the EU is going to fail and collapse, the question is when and not if. I personally think this is a good thing and that something better will emerge when it has gone.
UKIP now the friend of immigration? Halleluyah!
Isn't the Independent a right wing rag?
Anyway,these numbers assume the trading revenue stays the same under a new tariff regime....they don't take account of the revenue reducing because of the tariff wall.....if all the car assemblers left the UK because of tariffs that would a cost more than £4.5 billion.
I am looking (not for bikes) at setting up a distribution depot with one of my bigger EU distributors in Germany to supply those products which are most popular in the EU,shipping into Rotterdam instead of Felixstowe.
The local German council have already offered us free land to build a warehouse provided we employ locals.
I know of many others who are planning similar moves if Theresa May takes us out of the customs union,as she plans.
This will dramatically reduce the revenue of UK business,we will only service the UK business from the UK.
Brexit voted for the UK to become an insular country,we will get what Brexit voters wanted,we will return to the 'good old days' ,whatever that means.
KudosDave
Just replace 'EU' with 'UKIP' in your posting and you are on the button.
ie....UKIP has outlived its usefulness and has been the architect of its own downfall...... Hehe
KudosDave
I'm quite certain that you are right, and I fully expect almost all current UK car and van production to go to the mainland EU in the early years following Brexit. With the PSA/GM deal almost certain to go ahead now, the first victim will be Vauxhall, Luton. Not only for Brexit reasons but because they only make the rebadged Renault van, and PSA (Peugeot-Citroen) won't want to make their main rivals design. With Vauxhall left with just the Ellesmere Port assembly plant for the Opel-Vauxhall Astra, that will shift to Opel as PSA reduce the excess manufacturing capacity of the group.
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Actually I can think of lots of positive things to say about Brexit, lets see
In the short term
- Europe will be rid of a major member that only paid half it's dues, lied ,cheated and undermined any progress
- Europe will be free to form the USE and gain a large Army
- There will be a trade boom in Europe in manufacturing and in Services too to replace things sourced in the UK
- A failing economy and civil unrest here will undermine the "Little Englanders", who despite all evidence imagine that we are not part of Europe claiming we are propping it up at a loss to us.
- Once again we will have to go cap in hand to join the EU, this time as a junior partner with no special privileges.
How could the UKIP outlive it's usefulness? that's an Oxymoron if ever there was one!
The press are starting to talk about the reunification of Ireland,in an opinion poll in Northern Ireland it's about 50/50 split.
The English/Wales government (note we are no longer GB) would have to give about 9 billion euros as a sweetener to the deal......I bet the Brexiters are keen on that deal,doesn't leave much out of the £11billion!!!
That part of the Brexit deal wasn't on the voting paper,Cameron didn't say it would make our country smaller. Scotland will be next and want to split.
We haven't triggered A50,yet this Brexit experiment looks worse every day that passes.
What will it take for Brexiters to wake up and realise that we are Brexiting just to satisfy the power lust of 80 Tory fascists,how do we stop this stupid idea?
KudosDave
The English/Wales government (note we are no longer GB) would have to give about 9 billion euros as a sweetener to the deal......I bet the Brexiters are keen on that deal,doesn't leave much out of the £11billion!!!
That part of the Brexit deal wasn't on the voting paper,Cameron didn't say it would make our country smaller. Scotland will be next and want to split.
We haven't triggered A50,yet this Brexit experiment looks worse every day that passes.
What will it take for Brexiters to wake up and realise that we are Brexiting just to satisfy the power lust of 80 Tory fascists,how do we stop this stupid idea?
KudosDave
Yes it's an amazing turnaround, shows how economic threat can overcome prejudice. With the DUP now having lost overall control of Stormont, reunification is made even more possible.
I'd love to see it happen, Ireland should never have been partitioned.
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It's probably too late already to stop this juggernaut careering down hill and over the cliff-edge but some of these MPs might just grow a spine before A50 in enacted and cause the PM and her inner circle to re-think their strategy.
Even now, after 8 months of reflection on the referendum result, the absence of any kind of plan is conspicuous, covered, we are told, by the 'need for secrecy' so as not to give the game away to the other side. Yeah, right! Ludicrous does not even begin to describe such a nonsensical tactic.
It is one thing for 'Brexidiots' to express their desire to detach the UK from the EU; it is quite another to imagine, as some correspondents here have proclaimed, that the EU will crumble and break up once the UK has left that institution. The reality is that the majority of member states and the majority of the populations of those states continue to favour and support the EU. They managed fine, albeit on a smaller scale, before the UK joined and they will manage just as well if not better without us.
This divorce, if it happens, will not be painless for UK taxpayers.
Tom
From the Independent
"Hammond: Britain will 'fight back' if no deal with the EU is reached
The Chancellor said Britain would do whatever it takes to protect the British economy if no deal with the EU was forthcoming
Mr Hammond told the BBC's Andrew Marr that Britain would "do whatever we need to do" including striking deals and building alliances with the rest of the world, to protect and drive the British economy if it were forced to face a future without a trade agreement with the EU.
Mr Hammond said: "If there is anybody in the European Union who thinks that if we don't do a deal with the European Union, if we don't continue to work closely together, Britain will simply slink off as a wounded animal, that is not going to happen.
"British people have a great fighting spirit and we will fight back. We will forge new trade deals around the world. We will build our business globally.
"We will go on from strength to strength and we will do whatever we need to do to make the British economy competitive and to make sure that this country has a great and successful future."
It has been suggested that this future might mean a low tax, low regulation, Singaporean style economy. Asked if the UK would cut corporation taxes to attract investment away from the EU, the Chancellor said: "People can read what they like into it. I'm not going to speculate now on how the UK would respond to what I don't expect to be the outcome."
What a way to start a negotiation! Bang goes any goodwill before we start, and if Hammond thinks that lowering Corporatin Taxes will work, guess who is going to have to pay more Taxes or face even worse cuts the NHS, welfare, etc? to make up the Revenue shortfall?
The people of course, and at the end of the day why would that work to make foreigners invest in something vital to us anyway?
They will look for things that make a fast buck for them.
Truly no nation bar one was ever served so ill by it's Government.
"Hammond: Britain will 'fight back' if no deal with the EU is reached
The Chancellor said Britain would do whatever it takes to protect the British economy if no deal with the EU was forthcoming
Mr Hammond told the BBC's Andrew Marr that Britain would "do whatever we need to do" including striking deals and building alliances with the rest of the world, to protect and drive the British economy if it were forced to face a future without a trade agreement with the EU.
Mr Hammond said: "If there is anybody in the European Union who thinks that if we don't do a deal with the European Union, if we don't continue to work closely together, Britain will simply slink off as a wounded animal, that is not going to happen.
"British people have a great fighting spirit and we will fight back. We will forge new trade deals around the world. We will build our business globally.
"We will go on from strength to strength and we will do whatever we need to do to make the British economy competitive and to make sure that this country has a great and successful future."
It has been suggested that this future might mean a low tax, low regulation, Singaporean style economy. Asked if the UK would cut corporation taxes to attract investment away from the EU, the Chancellor said: "People can read what they like into it. I'm not going to speculate now on how the UK would respond to what I don't expect to be the outcome."
What a way to start a negotiation! Bang goes any goodwill before we start, and if Hammond thinks that lowering Corporatin Taxes will work, guess who is going to have to pay more Taxes or face even worse cuts the NHS, welfare, etc? to make up the Revenue shortfall?
The people of course, and at the end of the day why would that work to make foreigners invest in something vital to us anyway?
They will look for things that make a fast buck for them.
Truly no nation bar one was ever served so ill by it's Government.
would it fall foul of state aid rules? Perhaps we should do same here, around Felixstowe.
BS. That is not the impression I get from speaking to a both immigrants who are here and considering coming here. Your claim is just typical shite spouted by remain supporters in a pathetic attempt to discredit BREXIT and those who support it.