Brexit, for once some facts.
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Theresa May said: “The days of Britain making vast contributions to the European Union every year will end.”
So will the days of getting vast amounts of money from the EU. Funny how that bit never gets mentioned anywhere.
So will the days of getting vast amounts of money from the EU. Funny how that bit never gets mentioned anywhere.
There's an old saying with regard to children who, in their honesty and innocence, tend on occasion to come out with some real gems, mostly truths that adults would prefer to keep to themselves.
'Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings.......'
Tom
And no hope of Brexit surviving very long without us needing to re apply for membership on any terms they care to give us, as we then haven't a single friendly nation on side.
The thing is - Mr old groaner (that name really does suit you btw) - what are you going to do about it? Do you really think you going on (and on - and on) is going to make a farts worth of difference? Do you just like the sound of your own voice that much?
Oh - so you think writing here is going to somehow go towards article 50 not being invoked and we will somehow not leave the EU? Is that what you think? So you're supporting Blair etc? Are you nuts? This is going to happen. And no amount of you whining and moaning is going to make any difference. It's a done deal. So you can get used to the idea - or you can remain in your very deep hole thinking you're making some sort of difference with your continual pi****g in the wind.
Oh - so you think writing here is going to somehow go towards article 50 not being invoked and we will somehow not leave the EU? Is that what you think? So you're supporting Blair etc? Are you nuts? This is going to happen. And no amount of you whining and moaning is going to make any difference. It's a done deal. So you can get used to the idea - or you can remain in your very deep hole thinking you're making some sort of difference with your continual pi****g in the wind.
it may take longer but why do you think we won't survive and will lose all friends?
I do not require your permission or approval to express an opinion on the basis that even if I only convince one person that they have made a mistake in voting to leave the EU, the effort will have been worth while.
I fully realise that many are too smug, dense and cannot face facts,to be able reach that conclusion without having to suffer, but never mind you will.
Hence they imagine that bluster can be used to cover up a total lack of evidence to support their decision.
Why do you persist in this defence of the indefensible?
A wish to all appear a fool perhaps?
Congratulations it works!
As an example of how ignorant you are I am fully in favour of going ahead with brexit and have said so many times, as I expect disaster as a result, the only way to educate individuals like you.
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Are you in under the mistaken impression that we haven't done that already?
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I don't think we have.
Let's just wait until next month or better, next year.
Let's face it, what sort of clubs that charges high exit fees? Time share perhaps?
If the EU makes negotiation too difficult for us, then the EU will fuel the nationalist movement.
The sort of clubs where you have made previous financial agreements with perhaps? and money and resources organised on that basis?
OG is entitled to his opinion,why does it cause you such concern?
Article 50 will be signed,notice how May is desperate to sign it as early as possible just in case some event prior to March 31 makes people start to think twice.
I buy from 130 companies in China and sell to every EU country,I am the 'meat in the sandwich' so have a strong interest in the outcome. I just cannot see how the outcome is going to be any better than the current deal we have and it may be a lot worse,so why are we taking the risk?
The reason why May and her 80 fascist right wingers want Brexit so much is that they want their power back and don't want to be told what to do by the EU. But to achieve that they are single minded,they don't care about the economy,not sure they are all that bothered by immigration,they certainly don't care about the NHS,Social Care,Prisons etc.
They also don't care about the poor who supported Brexit....whatever the outcome can you imagine the northern poor will gain anything from Brexit?
What is happening in business,is that dollar hedging is running out,new stock bought at 1.20 dollar is forcing companies to increase prices but of course old stock is now worth more so prices will lift and profits will lift.
UK customers seem to accept these price rises as a brexit cost and EU customers like the relative strength of the Euro to buy UK product cheaply,it is a good time to be in export business and profits from the EU are good. However there are a lot of problems coming up in Euroland and it would be easy to imagine that the Euro will weaken and our export business will wain.
As for OG making no difference,I used to be a very active day trader,putting stories on forums such as this. I made a very plausible argument that Philip Green was planning a buyout of House of Fraser,it went viral,the Daily Mail published my article and breakfast TV discussed it,H of F shares raised 30% in days,good business,hehe.....in the end Philip Green and H of F put an announcement out that he had no intention of this buyout and the shares dropped back to normal,so don't be sure that small forums such as this make no difference,they have a snowball effect.
Brexit will change things,I am flexible enough to prosper whatever the outcome but I am sure ultimately the rich will gain and the poor lose,that is why the outcome will not be pleasant for our nation overal.
KudosDave
I am confident that the UK will survive outside of the EU. Survive does not mean prosper.
After independence in Ireland, there was a period of economic isolation when the mantra was" burn everything English except their coal ". Basically Ireland was turning it's back on England for centuries of slights both real and imagined. There were plenty of both. By turning away from its nearest neighbour, and it's largest market, it entered economic stagnation, ... Sound familiar.
Emigration soared, population dropped, ..Australia and Canada and even England prospered as a result of our emigration and isolation.
The rhetoric coming from Westminster is not conducive to making friends and influencing people.
I think you should take what Mrs May says (and David Davis) as the UK's position and forget even what comes out of that clown Boris Johnson's mouth.
But he's just gone to Russia, so goodness knows what could happen now.
Could be anything from the start of World War 3 to a post Brexit sanction busting trading agreement.
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Johnson and Fox don't have much to do do they?
But we know we have to negotiate a new relationship with the EU, our weapon is time, believe it or not.
But we know we have to negotiate a new relationship with the EU, our weapon is time, believe it or not.
Woosh, I am not going to discuss the personalities of different politicians from another country, it would not be polite. All three persons you mention hold ministers and are therefore the official voice of the UK. Anything anyone of them says is "ex cathedra".
They all hold their positions by grace of the PM.
The EU negotiator is the only one likely to understand and in fact dictate the Uk's position as he holds all the cards.
The Nationalist movement will enjoy temporary vogue anyway.... until things start going pear shape, then as the day after the referendum , the ringleaders will be noticeable by their absence.