I relly don't see what makes you think that, there really isn't a hope of that happening is there?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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There is no need to be so pessimistic. Brexit won't kill the cat and it's only for a short while.
There are two important dates: brexit (March 2019) and a deal with the EU.
From now to brexit, there will be about 3% inflation in 2017 and inflation will tail off in 2018. 2019 may see our economy going into a shallow recession until a deal with the EU is reached, we then climb out of the recession and start growing our econmomy quickly.
If the BoE decides to use depreciation to cushion the shock, we won't even see any recession.
Its hilarious really isn't it. All this talk about 'The Russians' fixing the US election. Amazing how many people have been duped by this whole story. As if! As if the Russians could to that! How? Have you ever heard ONE SINGLE IDEA on HOW they would do that? By what? Putin sending secret messages over the internet? Huh? What? How gullible some people are. OF COURSE THE F*********g RUSSIANS WANTED TRUMP. We get that. Clinton was a war monger. The Russians can not afford a real war. Syria costs f*** all and they got LOADS out of that. But they can't afford to fight the USA and Clinton would have found a way. OF COURSE THEY WANTED TRUMP. So what? HOW would they fix the election? You think its that easy? Think it through. Or not. Its a free country.There are some strange bedfellows dictating the shape of western politics at the moment. We know from reports that Trump seems weirdly fond of Putin, an odd situation for an American President. We also know from noises coming out of America that some illegal politico/diplomatic liaisons took place between unauthorised individuals and Russian diplomats, if we can call them that.
Perhaps the Democrats are just sore losers but the Presidential election has been stigmatised with rumours of Russian interference in the process. When one considers that the first UK politician to get up close and personal with Trump was Nigel Farage before the PM, Mrs Mayhem, actually got an audience - at which she fawned all over the President, trying to create a kind of 'special relationship' à la Thatcher/Reagan - it all starts to look a little...emm...strange.
Curiously, 'The Canary', one of the best non-establishment sources of political news, has delved a little further into these bizarre 'friendships' and reports on the concerns of Labour MP, Stephen Kinnock, who has asked the Electoral Commission to look into claims that the UKIP 'Leave' campaign may have breached electoral rules........anyone interested can read the story by clicking on the attached link:
http://www.thecanary.co/2017/03/02/breaking-farages-brexit-campaign-accused-of-breaking-electoral-law-referendum/
There appears to be a number of circles which have intertwined across different countries, indeed different continents, which causes me to wonder exactly who is pulling the strings behind these unusual events of late. Many things have happened recently which have the effect of curtailing many of the freedoms that we in the UK have come to take for granted, not the least of which is the surveillance laws introduced recently when most people's attention was on other news.
I wonder if David Icke could shed some light on current events?
Tom
You talk as if we're all about to to go war. Why? There is no need to go to war and thats what free trade and free speech have always provided. Sanity. What is good for trade tends to be good for people generally. Any way you play it people will find a way to trade together. You can't destroy that. You can put a people down but it will rise. Right now it is the right of centre who offers the most in terms of free speech and free trade. Trade without the middle men. Trade direct to the public. And free speech that allows you to say 'go f**** y*****' if you feel like it. Just one rule. No hitting. No violence. And look right now at the left wing and how they justify violence. Free speech never condones violence. Why would it? It does not need to strike or to hit. Whoever wins the argument rules. That is called democracy.
You can't say that because you don't know. You don't know what the exit deal will look like and you don't know how it will play out in future years.
Nice sermon you have there, but right wing theology requires that the thinking process is switched off in order to see it as other than a swindle.
You like it? it's yours.
They rely on people like yourself acting as their apologists, but the fact is the Right wing in this country is a menace to the public, has been in the past, and is now on the point of working it's biggest con of all time.
What seems to be "Good for trade" are things like the arms trade and wars over oil and resources, and keeping the population down to cut the cost of labour, or even better from that point of view investing where vitually slave labour rates can be paid,
Which is why Brexit is a non starter.
why invest here when you can get more bang per buck in the Far East?
Free speech never condones violence?
So our free speech prone Government hasn't been waging wars in our name, and even at times behind Parliament's back all these years?
Are you really expecting to be taken seriously when you come out armed with platitudes and make spurious and easily disproved statements like that?
Lets take that Nonsensical statement, as an example
"Whoever wins the argument rules. that is called democracy."
What utter nonsense, look at the Brexit vote.
A simple question on the face of it, when in fact it was far more complex to the point that neither side of the argument had or even now has, a clear idea of what was and is involved, what to do for the best, or the likely outcome.
And the Right wing Government didn't have plan what to do when it lost the vote.
The leave vote achieves an marginal victory that had it gone the other way Farage described it as "Unfinished Business" and only a Two to one Vote in Favour of Remaining in the EU would "Kill" the issue.
For the first and most likely time in his life he spoke the truth
Such a result is simply unfinished business
And now is presented as "The will of the people." when it is the will of 21%
So then what happens? the cheer leaders run off to avoid responsiblilty, and there is a gathering of vultures over the Corpse of what little plan the Government had to run the country.
And the least Competent among these clown rise ,like scum on dirty water to grab power
Three buffoons become the "Brexiteers" and May whos only claim to fame is that she can change sides faster that a Rubber Duck in the Bath rises to the top, on the basis of a career of umitigated failure in every senior Governmental Role that has ever been assigned to her.
Sorry but your attempt at appearing erudite only results in you making yourself look foolish.
If you wish to debate you will need more and better ammunition that Dogma and Platitudes.
Save your sermons for those inclined to be impressed by nonsense.
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No.
The rules are were
1. Advisory. Referendum to give advice to government. Government is not obliged to take advice... The clue is in the name
2. Parliament agreed to take this advice. ( That is the rule) And enacted a bill. There was no obligation on them to do so either legal or moral.
3 Your house of lords was threatened with abolishment, and took the path of grudging acceptence, while trying to mitigate it's most obvious objection the rights of people established over 40 years.
4. When your parliment votes the bill into law then you have your rule.
I know, and now we shall have a really great comedy of errors unfold itself as our much vaunted Government tried to make the epic of leaving the EU have the glamour of the Dunkirk evacuation.
As an historical note Father and two of his Brothers were there and all three were very surprised to find themselves back in England as they were under the impression that they were simply being taken off to be re landed further South down the coast past the German lines to meet up with the main French Army.
It was obviously a time when rumours were rife and communication between command and the men had broken down
Yes, I'm aware of the advisory status, which suddenly came to prominence after the votes had been counted. I wonder why that was?
Regardless, parliament has now endorsed the process and we will be on our way in a few days time.
So "them are the rules" and the rules are winding up ready for exit.
Maybe we should ask the EU and find out what's in it for us before we take a momentous leap of faith afforded us by the words of proven liars?
Tom
The referendum was only advisory and the 2015 Tory mandate was to stay in the single market,Cameron repeated that 'we say yes to the single market'....but May has conveniently forgotten her own parties manifesto.
KudosDave
Allow me to Explain ;Davis who wrote the Bill didn't want the voters to know it was only advisory in case they didn't bother to vote knowing that was the case.
In other words as you have surmised it was a conspiracy to hide the fact
Just one problem from your point of view, it was the leave camp who were guilty
Their real manifesto is the one that George Orwell provided for them in his novel, '1984':
“The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power.”
“Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”
Of course, after the Investigatory Powers Act from Mrs Mayhem, one now has to very careful about what one says about the government....wherever that might occur!
They used to warn us that walls have ears......that was then! Today.......
Tom
No, fascism is not something that happens in Britain - never has done and never will.......!
Oh, really!.........
Tom
Oh, really!.........
Tom
Don't know? of course we all know.. that the Tory Government will most certainly never change their ways to give a darn for the public well being.
No one in their right mind expects that to happen.
Are you saying you do?
Interesting headline in the Daily Excess, which has suddenly decided the House of Lords are OK after all, Even Rees Mogg has spoken highly of them.
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Britain won't have to pay a penny to Brussels after Brexit, Lords claim
BRITISH taxpayers cannot be forced to pay anything into EU Budget should Brexit talks break up without a deal, a parliamentary report said last night."
Baroness Falkner of Margravine, a Lib Dem peer and chairman of the sub-committee, said: “The UK appears to have a strong legal position in respect of the EU budget post-Brexit and this provides important context to the Article 50 negotiations.
“Even though we consider that the UK will not be legally obliged to pay in to the EU budget after Brexit, the issue will be a prominent factor in withdrawal negotiations. The Government will have to set the financial and political costs of making such payments against potential gains from other elements of the negotiations.
So if Theresa May does decide to make some payment how is she going to sell that to the Brexit Voters?
Good old Express, painting the Government into a corner to control it's policies?
Naughty, naughty!
I wonder what the "Will of the People" will make of it if she agrees to some payments?
"
Britain won't have to pay a penny to Brussels after Brexit, Lords claim
BRITISH taxpayers cannot be forced to pay anything into EU Budget should Brexit talks break up without a deal, a parliamentary report said last night."
Baroness Falkner of Margravine, a Lib Dem peer and chairman of the sub-committee, said: “The UK appears to have a strong legal position in respect of the EU budget post-Brexit and this provides important context to the Article 50 negotiations.
“Even though we consider that the UK will not be legally obliged to pay in to the EU budget after Brexit, the issue will be a prominent factor in withdrawal negotiations. The Government will have to set the financial and political costs of making such payments against potential gains from other elements of the negotiations.
So if Theresa May does decide to make some payment how is she going to sell that to the Brexit Voters?
Good old Express, painting the Government into a corner to control it's policies?
Naughty, naughty!
I wonder what the "Will of the People" will make of it if she agrees to some payments?
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