Brexit, for once some facts.

[tillson]

Another hypocritical Labour MP. Where do they find them? Thank goodness for UKIP who offer a moral compass for these people.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/10/shami-chakrabarti-s-fall-grace-liberal-hero-lost-her-reputation

 

[oldgroaner]

Another hypocritical Labour MP. Where do they find them? Thank goodness for UKIP who offer a moral compass for these people.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/10/shami-chakrabarti-s-fall-grace-liberal-hero-lost-her-reputation

Excellent! Joke of the Day award there to tillson.
Nobody does it better!

 

[tillson]

Hang on a little, no doubt conveniently you have forgotten five things.

1. Labour was last in power in 1945
2. Since the crash the Tories managed to borrow more in five years than new Labour did in Eighteen!
3. The Tories wanted to Deregulate the banks even Further than New Labour did, which allowed them to cause the crash
4. The Conservatives have been in power for how long? and made matters Far, Far worse!
   
5. The spin you are presenting is just another piece of Fake News! Labour didn't cause the crash look to the good old US of A and the Bankers for that.

Do you really think the Public won't connect falling living standards with Brexit?
Ho, Ho Blooming Ho!
Highly amusing, you had better hope so! Blaming New Labour all those years ago? you might as well blame William the Conqueror!
Tell that to the Riot Police!

Funny, I thought labour came to power in 1997 and systematically damaged the economy until being ousted in 2010. The effects of which we are still suffering.

I know that you share the same EU values as Tony Blair, but there are limits for you. Surely? No?

 

[tillson]

Excellent! Joke of the Day award there to tillson.
Nobody does it better!

That's right, when it's UKIP we must all pay attention. When it's Labour it is only a joke it doesn't really matter what they get up to.

Very revealing of you OG!

 

[oldtom]

Another hypocritical Labour MP. Where do they find them? Thank goodness for UKIP who offer a moral compass for these people.

Unusually 'tillson', I agree with you absolutely on Chakrabarti. She has proved to be nothing more than a self-aggrandising, political lightweight who hijacked a cause for self-promotion reasons. Yes, she is a hypocrite and I find that unacceptable in the Labour Party. Fortunately, there are few of those when compared to other political groups.

Sadly, you diminished your critique by adding your final sentence which is too ridiculous for words. I was almost about to restore you to my Christmas card list up to that point!

Tom

 

[tillson]

Unusually 'tillson', I agree with you absolutely on Chakrabarti. She has proved to be nothing more than a self-aggrandising, political lightweight who hijacked a cause for self-promotion reasons. Yes, she is a hypocrite and I find that unacceptable in the Labour Party. Fortunately, there are few of those when compared to other political groups.

Sadly, you diminished your critique by adding your final sentence which is too ridiculous for words. I was almost about to restore you to my Christmas card list up to that point!

Tom

The point is we can find fault wherever we look if we scrutinise and examine in minute detail. The problems start when we scrutinise disproportionately thus creating the illusion that one political party is far worse than another.

I think this is what the media is doing to UKIP and to Jeremy Corbyn as an individual.

 

[flecc]

Funny, I thought labour came to power in 1997

I think Blair's "New Labour" is widely regarded as a middle of the road Conservatism, quite far from Labour political norms. It was Blair's way of getting sufficient of the middle class vote to get into power.
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[oldgroaner]

Funny, I thought labour came to power in 1997 and systematically damaged the economy until being ousted in 2010. The effects of which we are still suffering.

I know that you share the same EU values as Tony Blair, but there are limits for you. Surely? No?

Wrong again! it must be habit forming the Tory light (AKA New Labour) isn't a Party I have ever voted for, it therefore follows I have no time for Tory Blair either.
And the effects the economy has and is suffering from should have been sorted out years ago had we had a competent Government.
And it's odd too that just before the crash that Government you so dislike managed to have the economy is surplus for a while, a feat beyond the capability of this pack of clowns

 

[oldgroaner]

That's right, when it's UKIP we must all pay attention. When it's Labour it is only a joke it doesn't really matter what they get up to.

Very revealing of you OG!

And just what did she actually get up to tillson? do reveal all.
What extortion. lies false promises, fiddling of expenses did she do? what laws did she break who did she libel?
I'm interested to know.
By the way I wan't actually referring to her, I was referring to the absolutely preposterous supposition

"Thank goodness for UKIP who offer a moral compass for these people."
Moral Compass in the same sentence as UKIP?
Ho ho ho, sorry that is really really hilarious!
You do say the Funniest things!

 

[tillson]

And just what did she actually get up to tillson? do reveal all.
What extortion. lies false promises, fiddling of expenses did she do? what laws did she break who did she libel?
I'm interested to know.
By the way I wan't actually referring to her, I was referring to the absolutely preposterous supposition

"Thank goodness for UKIP who offer a moral compass for these people."
Moral Compass in the same sentence as UKIP?
Ho ho ho, sorry that is really really hilarious!
You do say the Funniest things!

I suppose at this point I should be saying that you are looking at it from a REmainTARD's point of view? Too thick to understand. Does that provide adequate balance to the BREXIDIOT thingy which is going on?

 

[oldtom]

And it's odd too that just before the crash that Government you so dislike managed to have the economy is surplus for a while, a feat beyond the capability of this pack of clowns

What! Are you saying that the economy still isn't right? Surely there must be some mistake.......oh, maybe not....hang on!

Actually, my apologies for doubting you; it seems this is the case:



Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

I suppose at this point I should be saying that you are looking at it from a REmainTARD's point of view? Too thick to understand. Does that provide adequate balance to the BREXIDIOT thingy which is going on?

Too thick? You do realise I will remember you posted that don't you?
Not a wise thing to post tillson

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[tillson]

Too thick? You do realise I will remember you posted that don't you?
Not a wise thing to post tillson

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The BREXIDIOT term has been used plenty of times along with suggestions that we BREXITers are too thick to understand the implications of leaving the EU.

Does the term REmainTARD's combined with a suggestion that those who support remain are too thick to understand the case for leaving the EU, provide balance?

I'm simply trying to even things out. Personally. I don't think you are thick. I think you have a closed mind to leaving the EU, but that doesn't make you thick.

 

[Woosh]

What! Are you saying that the economy still isn't right? Surely there must be some mistake.......oh, maybe not....hang on!

Actually, my apologies for doubting you; it seems this is the case:


Tom

Actually, we are doing OK in the financial year ending this month.
UK net debt increase is estimated at £47bn, well under 3% of our GDP.
Philip Hammond is right trying to avoid austerity while keeping the net debts growing at less than 3%.
A small deficit is not a bad thing.

 

[oldtom]

I think Blair's "New Labour" is widely regarded as a middle of the road Conservatism, quite far from Labour political norms. It was Blair's way of getting sufficient of the middle class vote to get into power.
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Backed by Murdoch's media empire, (and very possibly bankrolled too!), there was never any question that the Blair, New Labour Party was anything other than an alternative tory group and only ever provided a slightly softer approach to the capitalist model in power for most of the latter half of the 20th century. That interlude ended when capitalism largely collapsed following the economic crash brought about by bankers gambling other people's money.

Since New Labour fell from grace by refusing to do business with the carpetbaggers of the laughable demorats, the UK has enjoyed the full-fat tory model of capitalist politics, even when they had to string along the yellow-bellies for a spell.

Austerity for the masses will soon turn things round!

Tom

 

[flecc]

Philip Hammond is right trying to avoid austerity while keeping the net debts growing at less than 3%.
A small deficit is not a bad thing.

Except that it adds to the national debt and the interest we pay on that.

I'm sure each UK adult would rather have that near £1000 a year in their pocket than paying that interest.
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[flecc]

there was never any question that the Blair, New Labour Party was anything other than an alternative tory group and only ever provided a slightly softer approach to the capitalist model in power for most of the latter half of the 20th century.

Blair's theory was the widely held one that there aren't enough of the electorate who regard themselves as working class labour. Many who would once have been Labour now regard themselves as middle class, and that is an increasing trend as the nature of work changes.

He was right of course, hence him sweeping into power in 1997.

I'm not confident that can change enough to get the existing Labour party into power. There's a void that the Lib-Dems could have filled had they chosen their path better, but it now looks like we need a different centre-left alternative.

Until then we'll have a fragmented and disillusioned electorate.
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[oldgroaner]

The BREXIDIOT term has been used plenty of times along with suggestions that we BREXITers are too thick to understand the implications of leaving the EU.

Does the term REmainTARD's combined with a suggestion that those who support remain are too thick to understand the case for leaving the EU, provide balance?

I'm simply trying to even things out. Personally. I don't think you are thick. I think you have a closed mind to leaving the EU, but that doesn't make you thick.

I have an open mind to leaving the EU, in that I see this as an opportunity to expose the shortcomings of trying to return to a previous identity as a nation with an insular attitude to it's neighbours.
This is in my view a retrograde step


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[Woosh]

I have an open mind to leaving the EU,

I think the issue is more 'do/can we stay in the EU for 10-20 more years?'.
Ever since Maastricht, the EU has a very clear path to the future that half the UK does not want.

 

[oldtom]

There are some strange bedfellows dictating the shape of western politics at the moment. We know from reports that Trump seems weirdly fond of Putin, an odd situation for an American President. We also know from noises coming out of America that some illegal politico/diplomatic liaisons took place between unauthorised individuals and Russian diplomats, if we can call them that.

Perhaps the Democrats are just sore losers but the Presidential election has been stigmatised with rumours of Russian interference in the process. When one considers that the first UK politician to get up close and personal with Trump was Nigel Farage before the PM, Mrs Mayhem, actually got an audience - at which she fawned all over the President, trying to create a kind of 'special relationship' à la Thatcher/Reagan - it all starts to look a little...emm...strange.

Curiously, 'The Canary', one of the best non-establishment sources of political news, has delved a little further into these bizarre 'friendships' and reports on the concerns of Labour MP, Stephen Kinnock, who has asked the Electoral Commission to look into claims that the UKIP 'Leave' campaign may have breached electoral rules........anyone interested can read the story by clicking on the attached link:

http://www.thecanary.co/2017/03/02/breaking-farages-brexit-campaign-accused-of-breaking-electoral-law-referendum/

There appears to be a number of circles which have intertwined across different countries, indeed different continents, which causes me to wonder exactly who is pulling the strings behind these unusual events of late. Many things have happened recently which have the effect of curtailing many of the freedoms that we in the UK have come to take for granted, not the least of which is the surveillance laws introduced recently when most people's attention was on other news.

I wonder if David Icke could shed some light on current events?

Tom