Plans? What Heresy is this? Brexit will provide, who needs plans?
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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actually killed an old lady who is a friend of my Mum's last week...Also known as a staircase.
Shall we settle for that, since falling down a staircase can be rather painful too?
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She was staying with her son and got out of the bed at night in the dark to use the loo, didn't realise she wasn't in her house and fell down the stairs in the dark. tragic.
So falling down stairs in the dark, really is a killer.
I think you'll find we were talking about a cliff edge on a graph, or metaphorically, the causes of this type of cliff are very much different to the causes of a geographic cliff.
Even a geographic cliff can be caused by a number of things of than erosion.
The torygraph has been forced to apologise for lying - who'd have thought it!
The Canary reported it fairly as it is a matter of great concern.
http://www.thecanary.co/2017/02/27/daily-telegraph-apologised-printing-lies-hoped-wouldnt-notice/
Tom
The Canary reported it fairly as it is a matter of great concern.
http://www.thecanary.co/2017/02/27/daily-telegraph-apologised-printing-lies-hoped-wouldnt-notice/
Tom
It wasn't May who said it. IIRC, Hammond suggested we could go down to 15% after brexit.
On CT, Ireland has 12.5% rate for a long time and it did not create much fuss.
CT changes times to times, Iceland for example dropped its CT to 15% during the 2008 crisis and have put it up to 20% immediately after the crisis is over.
People like IDS and Rees Mogg promote division, are not representative of the UK policy.
Sorry to learn this, my brother's wife was similarly killed by falling down stairs.
It's remarkably common and a greater risk than any class of road usage. Apparently as many as 1000 people a year lose their lives on stairs according to this link. Only accidental poisoning and suicide are higher mortality causes.
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Actually Mrs May referred to it in her major February speech, after Mr Hammond had introduced it earlier. She also flagged it up as a weapon, ...unless she got a good deal, Ireland has had a long and involved fight to retain its current tax regime within the EU. To suggest " little fuss " would be economical.
Whether one admits it or not IDS , B. J and RM and all prominent MPs will be viewed throughout Europe as establishment figures. Likewise Labour MPs because they have linked themselves to the brexit deal will be included.
Least we go off the rails here,. My point was that in the event of UK seeking re engaging with the EU, the onus will be on the UK and insulting and slighting current members is unwise.
Now you tell me! only a couple of months ago I invested in a Stair lift for the wife!
And before anyone makes the wrong connection, getting past the damn thing has nearly had me taking a "flier" a couple of times
(Do I hear Choruses of Shame! from the audience?)
which does not affect very many. That was my point about exaggeration.
In any case, the predicted 'cliff edge' is more of a tick shape. The GDP will dip a little, may not even long enough to qualify as a technical recession.
The red plot is the worst case scenario according to the IMF. You can see that the economy will recover strongly after the dip at the end of 2017.
The more likely scenario is the blue like, a friendlier version to brexit. Evenso, the difference is +/- 2%
EDIT: thanks to oldtom pointing out that the graph does not show where the real economy is.
The real economy is about 3% above the blue plot, since depreciation pushed up GDP.
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I think you are over-pessimistic.
The main row will be the size of the divorce bill and the timescale to settle it.
The trade negotiation will take time but it's in our common interest and so is immigration.
Iain Duncan Smith and Jacob Rees-Mogg are entirely representative of the tory Party in government therefore, by definition, they are representative of UK policy.
To say that,
is incredibly.....what shall I say? Odd, perhaps?
Tom
It's the same as I would say that flecc's views are representative of remainers and yours are not.
Well thank you 'Woosh' for producing another pretty infographic to demonstrate the likely scenarios, according to the IMF and presumably post-'Brexit'.
I have to confess though, that I find it somewhat misleading as there is no third line illustrating where the economy would be, (give or take), were we to have a change of heart and withdraw our plan to secede.
They say a picture paints a thousand words so, to me in this case, that will be, 'No thanks' X 500.
Tom
I have to confess though, that I find it somewhat misleading as there is no third line illustrating where the economy would be, (give or take), were we to have a change of heart and withdraw our plan to secede.
They say a picture paints a thousand words so, to me in this case, that will be, 'No thanks' X 500.
Tom
The real economy is about 3% above the blue plot, since depreciation pushed up GDP.
Oldtom, I can discuss the economy until you are blue in the face, but my point is, exaggeration does not contribute to a logical debate. There is indeed only a small step from exaggerating to lying.
Oldtom, I can discuss the economy until you are blue in the face, but my point is, exaggeration does not contribute to a logical debate. There is indeed only a small step from exaggerating to lying.
Well, I have to defer to your greater knowledge of such things as I'm no expert and my personal preference is to always tell the truth.
It strikes me, however, that there exists an inherent deceit in publishing such a simple format graph without illustrating the mean position which in this case would be an illustration of the economy were 'Brexit' not a factor.
You telling me 'about 3%' is pure speculation on your part, I presume, as it isn't included in the graph by the IMF. That suggests to me that you are trying put across the notion that 'Brexit' won't be as painful as some of us think.
As I see it, your speculation = wishful thinking....again! Didn't you say something about sticking to facts?
Tom
Will you let "The Donald" know, or shall I?
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Oldtom, it's a simple linear translation, move the vertical origin down 3% to make the starting point fits 2016 2% annual growth.
You surely can do it in your head? Were you good in maths or science at school?