<sound of throwing up> when will the banana myth ever die? Bojo should get jail time for that lie.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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And they did this on a regular basis for over 40 years
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Which is a fundamental problem in our democracy, decisions based upon ignorance.
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Yes, the Greeks knew very well this fact since Plato's days.
Ignorance extending right into parliament itself, hence the setting up of select committees, a step away from democracy.
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Not necessarily, if we are expecting the public to be able to see that our Government has made a "Balls up", then you have to question why we can assume that ?
They have been in that same situation up to now and not perceived it as the fault of the Government , but been led like sheep to believe it was the big bad evil EU.
It will have to make them more that "fed up" to get through to them when they will be assured on a daily basis that everything is fine and they are getting what they voted for.
This is a quotation by an American Lawyer regarding public cognisance of political matters.
He argues that most people don't think it is worth their time bothering about this much, as their single vote hardly makes any difference
"But while political ignorance is often rational behavior for individuals, it can lead to terrible collective outcomes. It does not matter much if any one voter is ignorant, but it does matter if we have an entire electorate that is that way. The situation is comparable to air pollution: one gas-guzzling car makes little difference, but thousands or millions of them could potentially cause great harm to the environment. Similarly, widespread voter ignorance is a kind of pollution of the political process."
Ilya Somin in Forbes
Remember that one of my first ever statements on this thread was the the voters were not racist or bigoted, but misled and lied to, and had been for forty years?
And that will continue with embellishments after we leave the EU
We cannot assume that "common sense " will prevail,as it has a terrible track record against Weapons of Mass Stupidity AKA a Government that either owns or more likely is owned by the Media and it's backers.
and long before that.
You seem to accept as true that the EU will continue to be successful.
Where is the proof?
You seem to accept as true that the EU will prove to be unsuccessful, Where is the proof?
All we can currently say is that the vast majority of experts, in pretty much all relevant topics agree that being a member of the EU is a positive currently.
a small majority of the public who voted don't think its a positive.
Anything else is just guess work.
So do we base our future membership of this club on the experts, or the will of the people.
That's the decision the MPs and Lords now have to make.
Why have you reached that conclusion? I haven't made such a claim.
No Nation, or groups of nations can say that the future is full of good things, have you forgotten that we Joined the EU because we were going downhill, even though at the time we had a manufacturing sector we could call our own, and now rely on foreign companies owning pretty much all that is left, while the main income is derived from the "Worlds Biggest Betting shop" namely London?
No proof is needed that the fate of the EU was at least partially in our hands, and we therefore had a chance to shape it's future, which is now gone.
I don't believe that the EU experiment has a certain future , only that it is worthy of support, whereas reverting to a third class offshore Tax Haven has nothing to offer that is comparable.
Their arguments usually rely on the consensus that brexit will incur a high price to effect the changes. I for one agree with that. There is a divorce cost for a start.
Whereas it is not certain at all that the EU will continue to be successful.
I (and apparently others) think that the wake-up call of brexit will make the EU more focused and successful. It will certainly function better without the UK mucking about and doing its best to stop it from functioning correctly (yes I am pointing at you David Cameron...).
So your logic is that we should jump from the frying pan into the fire?
There is even less certainty that Brexit will be a success, or have you some proof to the contrary?
And let's be honest it is a retrograde step to leave a larger community to hide from competition, which is what the voters for Brexit want, as from many comments made in public, significant numbers have expressed the view that they feel disadvantaged having to compete with immigrants who may be both better educated, and /or have more of a work ethic where mundane jobs are concerned.
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Am I permitted to say, "No thank you , I'd rather have a "Bounty" even though I don't like coconut?"
So you're in agreement with the experts that leaving will have a cost - ie be negative.
So leaving has a certain negativity, and you'd rather take a certain negativity than continue with a proven current positive, that you're worried might in the future become negative.
That is logic that's so illogical I can't even grasp where you've got that from.
No, but I think it's about time that the country should wake up and become more competitive, more self reliant in different ways than relying on that London casino.
And just how do you need to leave the EU to do that?
What logic makes it seem likely to happen?
All we have to go on is the words of proven fools like Davis, Fox, Boris and Farage and possibly Gollum (Sorry Gove)
And of course Rees Mogg.
My Namesake Steve Bless his little cotton socks!
You could get much more rational arguments out of Kermit the Frog, Miss Piggy, the Great Gonzo and Animal out of the Muppets
We have been heading for a permanent state of decline in public services, a culture based on celebrity worship, an education geared toward 'soft' pseudo sciences and a permanent structural budget deficit, relying entirely on immigrants for our economic growth.
You've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
The snag is Brexit is more the the equivalent of
Putting the omelette back in the egg and chasing the chicken with malicious intent.