Brexit, for once some facts.

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Well that's been my point for weeks. Be careful what you wish for. Looks like Boris will be moving out of his refurbed flat soon but who will be choosing new wall paper??
Gove? Shapps? Raab? Sunak? Truss? Got to be one of them..
Might aswell keep Boris. That's the mechanism that got him there. Better than alternative...??
I think king rat's great and should stay. He's singlehandedly torpedoing brexit and the tory party and securing a labour victory at the next election. And showing the blue wall the complete contempt the conservative party hold them in. In banal language only a tory can and they understand. A deceptively difficult achievement that. He will have deserved that peerage once he goes
 
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Mrs Honeyman

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Well that's been my point for weeks. Be careful what you wish for. Looks like Boris will be moving out of his refurbed flat soon but who will be choosing new wall paper??
Gove? Shapps? Raab? Sunak? Truss? Got to be one of them..
Might aswell keep Boris. That's the mechanism that got him there. Better than alternative...??
When you put it like that, the awful lies, pathetic incompetence, sickening double standards and vile corruption look far more palatable than that line up of hopefuls.
 

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If the allegations are true that he and his wife (gf at the time I think) attended that party then I don’t think even he can worm his way out of it so I think he will have to go.
Can anyone think how he can get out of it, or perhaps does he think the public are fed up with all the talk of lockdown parties and just want to move on, and is hoping most of the press will back him and he will just get away with it once again.
I think his tactic will be to give the public the finger and say, **** you, I’m going nowhere. It might work.

Just what does he have to do before his party stop backing him? Where have they set the bar? When I think it can get no lower, they always surprise me by reducing the acceptable standard even further. Why do these people go into politics if there personal standards are so low?
 

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It’s very interesting how the newspapers have reacted to the Number 10 party. Some completely ignoring the story and focusing on “Serbian National stays in an Australian Hotel“ Instead ;)Some report the incident as if Martyn Reynolds is the sole offender and that Boris Johnson is the victim of collateral damage from Reynolds’ incompetence :D Others go in for the kill.

It’s easy to predict which approach has been adopted by the selection of rags on offer to us.

It will be interesting to see if Dame Dick sends the filth round to Downing Street to issue a few fines. My guess will be no, she won’t. She has been purchased by being indoctrinated into the Jimmy Saville Club. Dame Dick is on a short leash.

The threat of a TV licence funding review should keep the BBC quiet.

If they can get people angry about brown people in dinghies again, that would be helpful too.

The public are sufficiently conditioned to accept more BS. Johnson might just pull this off.
 
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If the allegations are true that he and his wife (gf at the time I think) attended that party then I don’t think even he can worm his way out of it so I think he will have to go.
Can anyone think how he can get out of it, or perhaps does he think the public are fed up with all the talk of lockdown parties and just want to move on, and is hoping most of the press will back him and he will just get away with it once again.
Someone needs to publish the list of all invitees - and who attended.

Having been invited but kept quiet is itself an issue.

But having attended and kept quiet, effectively lying by omission, could be a bigger problem.
 

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It’s very interesting how the newspapers have reacted to the Number 10 party. Some completely ignoring the story and focusing on “Serbian National stays in an Australian Hotel“ Instead ;)Some report the incident as if Martyn Reynolds is the sole offender and that Boris Johnson is the victim of collateral damage from Reynolds’ incompetence :D Others go in for the kill.

It’s easy to predict which approach has been adopted by the selection of rags on offer to us.

It will be interesting to see if Dame Dick sends the filth round to Downing Street to issue a few fines. My guess will be no, she won’t. She has been purchased by being indoctrinated into the Jimmy Saville Club. Dame Dick is on a short leash.

The threat of a TV licence funding review should keep the BBC quiet.

If they can get people angry about brown people in dinghies again, that would be helpful too.

The public are sufficiently conditioned to accept more BS. Johnson might just pull this off.
Telegraph and FT are the only ones which do not have the story in some form on their front pages (at some point last night - they do sometimes change).

BBC has it as top story:

 
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Mrs Honeyman

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Someone needs to publish the list of all invitees - and who attended.

Having been invited but kept quiet is itself an issue.

But having attended and kept quiet, effectively lying by omission, could be a bigger problem.
That’s a good point and it illustrates the scale of deceit / contempt for the public within government. A minimum of 100 people have known about this for 21 months and they’ve kept a lid on it! Perhaps this is why no one is ever sacked or can be sacked. Everyone is so mired in corruption and deception it would turn into a circular firing squad if anyone pulled the trigger. It explains a lot.
 

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That’s a good point and it illustrates the scale of deceit / contempt for the public within government. A minimum of 100 people have known about this for 21 months and they’ve kept a lid on it! Perhaps this is why no one is ever sacked or can be sacked. Everyone is so mired in corruption and deception it would turn into a circular firing squad if anyone pulled the trigger. It explains a lot.
The Michelle Mone case is also not going to help Johnson.
 

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That’s a good point and it illustrates the scale of deceit / contempt for the public within government. A minimum of 100 people have known about this for 21 months and they’ve kept a lid on it! Perhaps this is why no one is ever sacked or can be sacked. Everyone is so mired in corruption and deception it would turn into a circular firing squad if anyone pulled the trigger. It explains a lot.
LK manages this:

Tory MP Michael Fabricant appeared to defend the gathering, tweeting that meeting outdoors "would not have increased the risk of contagion" and the people invited "had worked incredibly hard on all our behalves".
But Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner said: "Boris Johnson has consistently shown that he has no regard for the rules he puts in place for the rest of us.
"He is trying to get officials to take the fall for his own mistakes, but he sets the tone for the way Downing Street and the rest of government operates."

My question is always, would they have done this if the whole thing had been in public at the time? The invite, shots of it happening, etc.

As I see it, all they can do is point out that it was in the past. Which is, of course, untenable. Every crime, when detected and prosecuted, is in the past. Until Minority Report, that is unavoidable.

Hmm, I wonder how MR technology would have assessed Johnson becoming PM? :)
 
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Hmm, I wonder what MR technology would have assessed Johnson becoming PM?
At the time, it was between Jeremy Hunt and BJ.
BJ was the choice of the brexiteers so BJ edged it.
I was still surprised at the scale of BJ's win in the ensuing GE.
So many people believed that JC was unelectable.
 
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Mrs Honeyman

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But the British public were too thick to see it, taken in by the lies.
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To some extent, that probably describes me.

I still have my doubts about the line-up Labour had on offer at that time. But then I think, what is it that they could have done that would have been worse than anything this clown-show has engaged in? Could you imagine if Diane Abbott had awarded a multi-million pound PPE contract to her local pub landlord? Would it have been reported differently to Matt Handcock's dealings?

I'd be interested if someone could give me three things that JC's Labour would have done worse than the current crop of imbeciles.
 
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In terms of honesty, integrity and even competence, Jeremy Corbyn was far more electable than Boris Johnson.

But the British public were too thick to see it, taken in by the lies.
BJ for comparison? that's setting the bar pretty low.
I am for lowish tax and smallish government, concentrating on education, healthcare, roads, energy.
I am not particularly for public ownership unless it's related to healthcare or transport, OK for water but not free broadband.
For me, JC is pretty much unelectable on economics.
 
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I am not particularly for public ownership unless it's related to healthcare or transport, OK for water but not free broadband.
Corbyn was wise enough to see that broadband had become an essential component of empowering the people to live lives to the full.

Such as the poorest children having access to home education during lockdowns instead of losing out as so many did.
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Corbyn was wise enough to see that broadband had become an essential component of empowering the people to live lives to the full.

Such as the poorest children having access to home education during lockdowns instead of losing out as so many did.
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The other strand of that is the need for broadband to be physically available to all. Which does seem to have improved somewhat, but we are still not there. If we have commercial implementation of broadband, we need to apply measures to achieve, as nearly as possible, 100% coverage.
 

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The other strand of that is the need for broadband to be physically available to all. Which does seem to have improved somewhat, but we are still not there. If we have commercial implementation of broadband, we need to apply measures to achieve, as nearly as possible, 100% coverage.
Essentials shouldn't have to depend on commercial interests, and broadband is now an essential for full participation in our modern life.

Jeremy Corbyn had the wisdom to understand that.

And it's not just broadband, the smartphone is close to having the same status now. Just as centuries ago we had politicians with the sense to see that the postal service needed to be cheaply universally available to all, so we need the same realisation for the post's modern replacements.

As with the post, only the state can achieve an equal service for all.
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Essentials shouldn't have to depend on commercial interests, and broadband is now an essential for full participation in our modern life.
lots of things are essential to life, but they are not free, eg food, water, electricity.
Broadband is free in schools, libraries, airports trains etc, also available if you have mobile phone signal. Some people live in isolated areas where they don't have mobile phone signal, they will have to subscribe to more expensive satellite broadband.
Why do you think that government MUST provide free broadband?
 
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