Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

Some things oil the wheels of society and the economy and they shouldn't necessarily exist to make a profit. They certainly shouldn't be in the hands of middle-men who add no value and just skim a percentage. Energy and now internet access fall into this category, closely followed by public transport.

consider this idea: because the internet is essential, it should be made freely available because someone may not be able to pay for it.
Let's expand it to cover all daily essential things.
who would then need money or earn money or pay taxes? then who would produce the goods and services in the first place?

 

[soundwave]

Just got my popcorn in for tomorrows PM questions, hopefully KS will be back from isolation to put Boris through the wringer. Looking forward to see what lies BJ will spin to try and get out of another fine mess he has got himself into.

i bet he will get covid and not be able to attend lol ks has had it 3000 times already

 

[soundwave]

consider this idea: because the internet is essential, it should be made freely available because someone may not be able to pay for it.
Let's expand it to cover all daily essential things.
who would then need money or earn money or pay taxes? then who would produce the goods and services in the first place?

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[oyster]

Independent is saying staff were told to clean up their phones to remove things like references to parties.

If so, that is getting ever more serious - conspiring to pervert the course of justice at the minimum.

 

[flecc]

consider this idea: because the internet is essential, it should be made freely available because someone may not be able to pay for it.
Let's expand it to cover all daily essential things.
who would then need money or earn money or pay taxes? then who would produce the goods and services in the first place?

Nobody is saying all essential things should be free, but some things are so necessary and potentially universally used that it makes sense for all to pay through taxation for all to use, whether they pay tax or not.

When did you last pay to walk on a pavement? When did you last pay for the light from lamp posts to light your way on a particular journey? Or for the drainage that takes the water off the pavement you walk upon or the road you cross?

Have you ever had to put a coin in a slot to use a pedestrian crossing?

World Wide Web access ranks with all those in being essential for a highly efficient and safe way to carry out all of our communications, using the minimum of resources and paper free for the benefit of the environment.

So since it should be universally used for the benefit of every one of us, individually and as a society, it makes no sense to individually charge everyone for it since that charging needlessly uses huge resources. Just include it in the general taxation fund at no extra cost.
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[Mrs Honeyman]

consider this idea: because the internet is essential, it should be made freely available because someone may not be able to pay for it.
Let's expand it to cover all daily essential things.
who would then need money or earn money or pay taxes? then who would produce the goods and services in the first place?

It depends what you mean by daily essential things. I suppose if we strip away all luxuries, the essentials we are left with are food and shelter. A communal kitchen and a hostel?

So if a communal kitchen and a hostel (the essentials) were provided free to anyone who wanted them, the people who want a bit more out of life would be the earners and tax payers. They could have access to cheap broadband and public transport to help them earn and work more efficiently.

 

[soundwave]

so how will Boris say sorry.!

 

[Danidl]

Nobody is saying all essential things should be free, but some things are so necessary and potentially universally used that it makes sense for all to pay through taxation for all to use, whether they pay tax or not.

When did you last pay to walk on a pavement? When did you last pay for the light from lamp posts to light your way on a particular journey? Or for the drainage that takes the water off the pavement you walk upon or the road you cross?

Have you ever had to put a coin in a slot to use a pedestrian crossing?

World Wide Web access ranks with all those in being essential for a highly efficient and safe way to carry out all of our communications, using the minimum of resources and paper free for the benefit of the environment.

So since it should be universally used for the benefit of every one of us, individually and as a society, it makes no sense to individually charge everyone for it since that charging needlessly uses huge resources. Just include it in the general taxation fund at no extra cost.
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I like the coin slot zebra crossing ..good metaphor.

 

[Danidl]

It depends what you mean by daily essential things. I suppose if we strip away all luxuries, the essentials we are left with are food and shelter. A communal kitchen and a hostel?

So if a communal kitchen and a hostel (the essentials) were provided free to anyone who wanted them, the people who want a bit more out of life would be the earners and tax payers. They could have access to cheap broadband and public transport to help them earn and work more efficiently.

That is sort if what we have ... The Workhouses of old and the mental hospitals of now are the communal kitchens

 

[Zlatan]

We should all have free access to Facebook, forums, YouTube, social media and Porn. I, d guess those combined constitute around 99% of Internet usage.

 

[Danidl]

We should all have free access to Facebook, forums, YouTube, social media and Porn. I, d guess those combined constitute around 99% of Internet usage.

Not really.. in terms of bandwidth its data its on line shopping and Netflix , Amazon ,Disney . While you might spend ages on social media ,the amount if data is rather small.

 

[Mrs Honeyman]

Not really.. in terms of bandwidth its data its on line shopping and Netflix , Amazon ,Disney . While you might spend ages on social media ,the amount if data is rather small.

By usage, it depends if we are measuring data consumed or screen time. If it’s the latter, social media and looking at bare ladies probably accounts for a great deal of usage.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Independent is saying staff were told to clean up their phones to remove things like references to parties.

If so, that is getting ever more serious - conspiring to pervert the course of justice at the minimum.

Shades of watergate where the cover up is worse than the crime. The clever thing would be a fulsome tearful apology at pm questions, but it may be a bit late to pull that off

 

[jonathan.agnew]

By usage, it depends if we are measuring data consumed or screen time. If it’s the latter, social media and looking at bare ladies probably accounts for a great deal of usage.

Which may not be such a bad thing. Imagine lockdown without a www

 

[Zlatan]

Which may not be such a bad thing. Imagine lockdown without a www

Is that a stutter Jonathon? (a joke, honestly)

 

[Zlatan]

Sign the Petition

Overturn the decision of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Lewis should be the winner.

www.change.org

Not particularly a Hamilton fan or a hater but don't think justice was served at last F1 race.. Ignore by all means.. And for what it's worth... (hasn't changed Sir Teflon decision but makes a point all the same)

 

[Mrs Honeyman]

Boris Johnson has ordered one of Boris Johnson’s subordinates to investigate whether Boris Johnson attended a party organised by Boris Johnson at Boris Johnson’s house.

I’ve no idea which way this will go. Well actually I do. They hold the public in such contempt, they expect us to believe this $h!t.

 

[oyster]

Which may not be such a bad thing. Imagine lockdown without a www

Imagine being ill these days without the net!

I became ill on Sunday and by Monday morning, when I had GP call back, I knew the likely diagnosis, the obvious treatment, and implications. The appointment therefore kept to the necessary - brief discussion and listing symptoms, confirmation and issuing prescription.

And I can go back and check, look things up, etc.

 

[Woosh]

Nobody is saying all essential things should be free, but some things are so necessary and potentially universally used that it makes sense for all to pay through taxation for all to use, whether they pay tax or not.

access to the internet is the top of a pyramid of other services and have ramifications in other areas, it's not as simple as a glass of free milk in the morning for schoolchildren.
I know of a person who has a mobile phone and of course access to the internet but cannot 'sign on' or apply for UC as it's now known because he is severely dyslexic. In France, very few schoolchildren would fall through the net for severe dyslexia like he did because schoolchildren are tested every year and made to have remedial courses before advancing into next class. The right to a decent education is a fundamental human right and our system has failed lamentably this man.
The BBC was reporting this morning about green levies on energy bills. One way to look at it is support for green energy should be from general taxation because the rich would then share a bigger burden than the poor. You could say the same about similar things: duty on petrol, food etc. We'll quickly come back to the old saying perfect is the enemy of good.

 

[Woosh]

It depends what you mean by daily essential things. I suppose if we strip away all luxuries, the essentials we are left with are food and shelter. A communal kitchen and a hostel?

So if a communal kitchen and a hostel (the essentials) were provided free to anyone who wanted them, the people who want a bit more out of life would be the earners and tax payers. They could have access to cheap broadband and public transport to help them earn and work more efficiently.

My starting point is the need to pay respect to all, including those to pay taxes and those who run businesses. They should not be automatically assumed to be motivated by greed. I for one would like my tax money well spent so would vote for those who priotitise public services over re-distribution.