Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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Yes you do, every time and once again now. In what way does your 60%, agreeing with my NHS 59%, support your contention that the govenment isn't lying, just being careless?

It doesn't, the government contention of 75% was a deliberate wilful lie and nothing to do with carelesness so don't try to show otherwise when the margin of error is so great and their statement impossible at present.

I'm getting bloody fed up with the way you constantly butt in trying to undermine my factual posts with this sort of idiocy. I'm providing a research service to members in what is an English political matter and bugger all to do with you in Ireland.

You've been on the attack continuously for two years now, trying to disprove my contentions which have all proved to be correct and officially accepted in many cases.

My early 2020 contention that we in London would benefit from the massive early infection we suffered, proven by all outcomes since.

My contention I made early in this year that the vaccines were not all they were being hyped up to be, now easily seen.

My early contention that natural immunity from prior infection as at least as good as vaccination and probably a bit better, now also supported by lower London death rates and belatedly by the government's chief statistician nationally.

And now my contention with clear proofs that the government is deliberately lying in a propaganda campaign to grossly exaggerate the benefits of the vaccines, this for purely political purposes.

You have disagreed with all these contentions when I originally made them, your posts all on record, so you've been shown to be wrong each time.
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Forgive me if I am wrong, but was not your contention in that previous post that the" lie" was that they were claiming 59% of 3 jab boosted when the figure was only supportive of 50%?. Was not your contention in the previous post that "they" were claiming much higher infection rates.
And for the record, At no stage have I ever stated that prior infection does not give some level of immunity. Perhaps to a level even superior to a single or maybe a double jab of a vaccine. What I do dispute is whether repeated sub clinical infections of COVID gives any immunity... I wish and hope it might, but I cannot believe it. I have not found your assertion, if that was it was, compelling.
And again and again , I refrain from discussing the political implications on mainland UK..that as you rightly say is none of my business. .But the Science is. Indeed I may have as much of a stake as yourself as I have family in London and Swansea and Liverpool, and relations all the way from Aberdeen to St Ives
There is a global campaign to get as many persons global vaccinated as possible, and it supercedes any petty political squabbles in the UK. The current best known facts are that a treble dose of any of these vaccines reduces the clinical effects of a Covid infection to close on 90%, reducing pro rata the hospital admission numbers. That a single or double dose or indeed a prior infection ,even if acquired many months ago, reduces the severity of the Omnicron infection into the lungs. We have yet to see how serious the Omnicron virus is in unvaccinated populations when it sweeps through the Southern USA
 

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i have not had any jab and im still not dead or got any infection nor has anyone i know in the last 2 years, this virus seems to vanish when you dont use msm or the internet ;)

 

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Forgive me if I am wrong, but was not your contention in that previous post that the" lie" was that they were claiming 59% of 3 jab boosted when the figure was only supportive of 50%?.
No, wrong end of the stick again. Copied and pasted from post 638878:

"And the current statement that 75% have been boosted is also a lie, today's NHS website latest says 59%"

Was not your contention in the previous post that "they" were claiming much higher infection rates.
Copied from the same post:

"On the news they are saying that in the week before Xmas, 1 in 30 in the UK had the virus.

The link below is to my post about the governments own figures on 23rd.

The whole UK infection rate of 881.7 then is 1 in 113 of the population."


How is that not calculated to deceive and therefore a lie, and how can it justify your criticising post?

My posts on this subject in the last couple of pages have been overtly political, not scientific

What I do dispute is whether repeated sub clinical infections of COVID gives any immunity... I wish and hope it might, but I cannot believe it. I have not found your assertion, if that was it was, compelling.
That is your belief, a matter of faith. The factual record from London shows differently. With all factors taken into account, London should have a far higher death rate from Covid than the rest of the country. It's lower, so I disagree with your belief.
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I think over the last 3 or 4 weeks there has been something of a step change in the amount of lying being done by the Government and in particular the PM in relation to Covid. Like flecc I think one can trust the figures being produced by the NHS because there are so many people involved with them word would get out if they were being fiddled.

But the rubbish Boris has been coming out with lately is just made up either by himself or his advisors and is not based on any reliable stats at all.

I think the reason for the step change is Boris is betting everything on trying to show its his booster campaign that has saved the UK from another huge spike in hospital admissions due to covid. So every stat he can make up, and every little anecdote he can spout to make people believe this he is pushing and getting his minions to do likewise.

Most of the popular press will probably go along with this rouse and unfortunately I think he may well pull it off. The BBC are too scared of the Tories to challenge many if any of the stats Boris produces and papers like the Guardian are just ignored as being too biased against him.
 

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@oyster Behold! a Kefir flatbread, or unflatbread, as mentioned... I cook loads of these for my Friday night takeaways rather than pay £2.60 for far less healthy nan breads from my local curry house, which they claim is a sort of cake mix fermented for 12 hours with yoghurt added. I have no idea how they cook their marvellous curries, or I'd do that too.

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@oyster Behold! a Kafir flatbread, or unflatbread, as mentioned... I cook loads of these for my Friday night takeaways rather than pay £2.60 for far less healthy nan breads from my local curry house, which they claim is a sort of cake mix fermented for 12 hours with yoghurt added. I have no idea how they cook their marvellous curries, or I'd do that too.

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Did you see on Masterchef the other week - one of the preliminary intro sessions, the chefs had to prepare a yoghurt flatbread. Yours look much nicer than theirs did.
 

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@oyster Behold! a Kafir flatbread, or unflatbread, as mentioned... I cook loads of these for my Friday night takeaways rather than pay £2.60 for far less healthy nan breads from my local curry house, which they claim is a sort of cake mix fermented for 12 hours with yoghurt added. I have no idea how they cook their marvellous curries, or I'd do that too.

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Taken us 20 years or more to replicate Curry House Curries....just about done it..
 
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Did you see on Masterchef the other week - one of the preliminary intro sessions, the chefs had to prepare a yoghurt flatbread. Yours look much nicer than theirs did.
Kefir contains a lot more and diverse probiotic critters than regular live yoghurt does, and after about 12 hours, the number of air pockets are numerous indeed! The unflatbreads are fluffier too, more so after 24 hours. I just use a wire mesh over an extremely hot halogen hob, it all happens within seconds. Craftsmans tastes awesome, not organic but a lovely flavour nonetheless:


Thanks again for the Shipton's link! I'll nab many kgs of some of those very interesting flours!
 
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i have not had any jab and im still not dead or got any infection nor has anyone i know in the last 2 years, this virus seems to vanish when you dont use msm or the internet ;)

I guess what killed our next door neighbour's Partner three weeks ago wasn't Covid after all, but the video's of idiots you keep posting?
 
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Did you see on Masterchef the other week - one of the preliminary intro sessions, the chefs had to prepare a yoghurt flatbread. Yours look much nicer than theirs did.
I experimented a lot - you need extremely rapid and intense heat to get them puffing up, this sort of implement will work with most cooker types:

 

guerney

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Did you see on Masterchef the other week - one of the preliminary intro sessions, the chefs had to prepare a yoghurt flatbread. Yours look much nicer than theirs did.
I haven't watched Masterchef in ages... weirdly, watching cooking programmes is irresistable when intermittent fasting, somehow you eat with your eyes and feel less hungry (or one is forced to).
 

guerney

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Taken us 20 years or more to replicate Curry House Curries....just about done it..
Spill the beans Zlatan! There are a zillion youtube videos about it all, but I still can't cook like curry houses can.
 
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guerney

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@oyster Behold! a Kefir flatbread, or unflatbread, as mentioned... I cook loads of these for my Friday night takeaways rather than pay £2.60 for far less healthy nan breads from my local curry house, which they claim is a sort of cake mix fermented for 12 hours with yoghurt added. I have no idea how they cook their marvellous curries, or I'd do that too.

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It's all about timing. They don't all work out as well, but the ones that do, can be cut into two and filled like very thin pitta breads with... stuff. Overall, there are less carbs and calories, because they're so thin and light. A very strong flour is required, or you end up with them bursting as they expand (flatbread). They burst less with white flour, because wheat husks make holes, which can expand as the dough expands in the heat, deflating them into mere flatbreads, which still taste great.
 

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Whitty & Van Tam have been rewarded for their services to covid lock-downs. Along with war criminal Tony Blair, they will join the ranks of pedophile and serial sex offender Jimmy Saville, and grotesque embezzler Phillip Green. Congratulations to them all.
Teflon Tony, destabiliser of the 21st century world. Appropriate really, he encapsulates what our culture has become almost as well as boris
 

guerney

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I guess what killed our next door neighbour's Partner three weeks ago wasn't Covid after all, but the video's of idiots you keep posting?
I expect the cesspit known as Whatsapp (Telegram, others) is full to the brim with content worse than that. None moderated, and the further away you get from the West, the less moderated the antisocial network is. What a wondrous money printing misinformation dissemination machine...
 
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