Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

If I said sleep apnea ....what would you diagnose?. Would heart problems be high on your list?.If I say burping, would you start looking at arteries, ..or use milk of magnesia?. If I said tinnitus, would you look to blood pressure ...

Sleep apnoea - I'd consider hypothyroidism in the differential diagnosis. Heart problems are common in hypothyroidism.
Burping - I'd consider both hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism in the differential diagnosis. Both high and low stomach acid occur in thyroid disorders, as well as incompetence of the lower oesophageal sphincter.
Tinnitus - I'd consider hypothyroidism in the differential diagnosis. Further, both high and low blood pressure can occur in hypothyroidism.

Not enough information to go further.

 

[Zlatan]

Me too, you have to put some trust into these people otherwise society would break down completely. I am retired so have time to take a bit more interest in both health and political matters than I did when I was working but I still try not to get too consumed with it.

A young family moved to live close to me about a year ago, I had said hello to the husband a couple of times but not really had a conversation with him until a few days ago. He is probably mid 30s and we started talking about covid and he said he had been off work recently for 6 weeks. I asked was it the virus and he said no it was stress brought on by worrying about the virus. Apparently every evening when he came home from work he would be on line seeing what the latest news was, going on YT and seeing what various experts were saying etc. he would spend hours each evening looking into all this and it all got too much for him.

I think this is an easy trap to get yourself into, I use a financial forum and there is a guy on there who must spend hours and hours everyday looking at all things CV related and I have noticed over time he is slipping into the conspiracy theory mind set. Other people have tried to warn him about this but he doesn't take the blindest bit of notice. I imagine there are thousands and thousands of people just like him.

Good post. Think it's a danger and lesson for us all.

 

[Danidl]

Sleep apnoea - I'd consider hypothyroidism in the differential diagnosis. Heart problems are common in hypothyroidism.
Burping - I'd consider both hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism in the differential diagnosis. Both high and low stomach acid occur in thyroid disorders, as well as incompetence of the lower oesophageal sphincter.
Tinnitus - I'd consider hypothyroidism in the differential diagnosis. Further, both high and low blood pressure can occur in hypothyroidism.

Not enough information to go further.

Except that in all these cases the underlying cause was /is arterial blood flow. There was no possible way that a lay person can get these correct, not even blood pressure measurements will be definite. A stool test might help eliminate some causes of the burping, blood tests the iodine deficiency . The self medicator will probably be dosing on Galviscon, and a double brandy to ensure sleep and block out tinnitus.

 

[oyster]

Except that in all these cases the underlying cause was /is arterial blood flow. There was no possible way that a lay person can get these correct, not even blood pressure measurements will be definite. A stool test might help eliminate some causes of the burping, blood tests the iodine deficiency . The self medicator will probably be dosing on Galviscon, and a double brandy to ensure sleep and block out tinnitus.

Did I mention iodine deficiency? That is but one cause of thyroid issues.

I simply pointed out that thyroid issues need to be considered as possibilities - absolutely NOT that they have been identified, or any treatment started or changed.

There are many issues with self-medication of all sorts. But people get into positions from which they have no acceptable alternative. Remember, it is their choice to refuse any treatment.

I wouldn't class Gaviscon or brandy as self-treatment of the disorders - just attempted symptom relief.

Issues of blood flow are themselves all too often caused by thyroid issues. And missed. Inappropriate thyroid hormone levels can result in remodelling of blood vessels and peculiar blood flows. They can be visibly altered such that just looking at a person's arm or torso, you see oddities.

I see person after person after person who was prescribed a medicine, typically a proton pump inhibitor or an H2 receptor antagonist, for reflux or burps. The doctor having missed both possibilities we have discussed - blood flow and thyroid issues. Given the context I see them in, thyroid is often eventually understood to have been the cause. Further, use of these can also impact on absorption of nutrients - such as B12. As B12 is likely already low (lots of links between low B12 and thyroid disorders), this can have the serious effect of causing real B12 deficiency.

 

[guerney]

I'm off to get my booster, hoping for gain of function - a pair of eyes at the back of my head would be useful for cycling, extra pair of arms for carrying out repairs. I doubt that my immune system would be overstimulated with booster shots administered every six months or so - wouldn't it be akin to experiencing mild colds twice a year?

Kefir is rich in iodine, but that last batch will become delicious sourdough bread, using the breadmaker.

 

[GLJoe]

High dose vitamin C is also suspected of increasing the likelihood of those who are prone to the issue to suffer from kidney stones.

Yes, I've heard that.
I'm also aware of this though. Worth a read:
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v09n05.shtml

 

[guerney]

High dose vitamin C is also suspected of increasing the likelihood of those who are prone to the issue to suffer from kidney stones.

A mate had one - Ultrasonic waves failed to break it up (if that had worked, the fragments would have been extremely painful to push through his penis, as they passed through with urine. Some maintain it's the closest that a man can experience to the pain of giving birth), but the orally administered chemicals did. In his case, he didn't require keyhole surgery, which the NHS do while the patient is faced down, placing much pressure on the chest area... good job too, as he has an iffy ticker. You have to go private if you want to have your kidney keyholed, while facing up. Things at the NHS might have changed since, 'twas a few years ago.

 

[Zlatan]

A mate had one - Ultrasonic waves failed to break it up (if that had worked, the fragments would have been extremely painful to push through his penis, as they passed through with urine. Some maintain it's the closest that a man can experience to the pain of giving birth), but the orally administered chemicals did. In his case, he didn't require keyhole surgery, which the NHS do while the patient is faced down, placing much pressure on the chest area... good job too, as he has an iffy ticker. You have to go private if you want to have your kidney keyholed, while facing up. Things at the NHS might have changed since, 'twas a few years ago.

Stick to meat pies....
And swim in cold North Sea regularly..if that doesn't kill you a meat pie has no chance.

 

[oyster]

Yes, I've heard that.
I'm also aware of this though. Worth a read:
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v09n05.shtml

There's many more papers since 2013! I have not read even the titles of all of them. But it is not yet a clear-cut issue.

One example:

Ascorbic Acid Supplements and Kidney Stones Incidence Among Men and Women: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Ascorbic Acid Supplements and Kidney Stones Incidence Among Men and Women: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

AA supplements was remarkably correlated with higher risk for kidney stones incidence in men, but not in women. Further multicenter, prospective and long-term follow-up RCTs are required to verify these findings.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[oyster]

cold North Sea

Unnecessary adjective use!

 

[Zlatan]

Distressing footage shows ICU full of young unvaccinated patients | ITV News

Health officials say unvaccinated people, and the new Omicron variant, is putting more pressure on the NHS and its staff. | ITV News Granada

www.itv.com

 

[guerney]

Stick to meat pies....

He's a Type 1 diabetic, was morbidly obese, very fond of restaurant food. After the diagnosis and during treatment, he made much effort in reducing weight, lost almost half his bodyweight, but still frequents very fine eateries occasionally.

 

[Zlatan]

He's a Type 1 diabetic, was morbidly obese, very fond of restaurant food. After the diagnosis and during treatment, he made much effort in reducing weight, lost almost half his bodyweight, but still frequents very fine eateries occasionally.

He does right..
The dipping in North Sea is (aledgedly) good at reducing bad body fat.. I spend hours in it, with the related nasal and stomach complaints, but certainly through sailing season I seem to be able to eat what I want with neither high cholesterol or too much excess body fat..??? Sample size of one tho...

 

[guerney]

He does right..
The dipping in North Sea is (aledgedly) good at reducing bad body fat.. I spend hours in it, with the related nasal and stomach complaints, but certainly through sailing season I seem to be able to eat what I want with neither high cholesterol or too much excess body fat..??? Sample size of one tho...

I thought you were joking about the North Sea! Like the Icelandic and their post-sauna ice plunge pools... I'd imagine there is use of more muscles overall while sailing; compound movements rather than just the legs (cycling). I speculate that you'd burn more calories sailing, but accept that I might be mistaken. I've only been sailing once in Holland, on a flat windy lake in a small boat requiring little effort to direct.

 

[guerney]

He does right..
The dipping in North Sea is (aledgedly) good at reducing bad body fat.. I spend hours in it, with the related nasal and stomach complaints, but certainly through sailing season I seem to be able to eat what I want with neither high cholesterol or too much excess body fat..??? Sample size of one tho...

My mate lost weight using Complan. He doesn't exercise at all.

 

[flecc]

Distressing footage shows ICU full of young unvaccinated patients | ITV News

Health officials say unvaccinated people, and the new Omicron variant, is putting more pressure on the NHS and its staff. | ITV News Granada

www.itv.com

I saw this on the BBC news, so heavily fuzzed out that it's impossible to see the truth and with a deliberately mournful dialogue to persuade. We've often seen perfectly clear ICU filming of covid patients with normal reporting so why not on this occasion?

One really needs a BS filter on occasions like this, it was clearly a carefully prepared and manipulative propaganda film to aid the government's booster and jab campaign.

Reminds me of the anti apartheid propaganda films long ago, dialogue on TV telling us how terribly the blacks were treated, but when the sound was turned down the pictures only showed by far the best dressed and best fed black people in the whole of Africa,

Yes apartheid was socially inhuman, but it didn't warrant deliberate falsehoods to make that point.
.

 

[guerney]

Did I mention iodine deficiency? That is but one cause of thyroid issues.

I simply pointed out that thyroid issues need to be considered as possibilities - absolutely NOT that they have been identified, or any treatment started or changed.

There are many issues with self-medication of all sorts. But people get into positions from which they have no acceptable alternative. Remember, it is their choice to refuse any treatment.

I wouldn't class Gaviscon or brandy as self-treatment of the disorders - just attempted symptom relief.

Issues of blood flow are themselves all too often caused by thyroid issues. And missed. Inappropriate thyroid hormone levels can result in remodelling of blood vessels and peculiar blood flows. They can be visibly altered such that just looking at a person's arm or torso, you see oddities.

I see person after person after person who was prescribed a medicine, typically a proton pump inhibitor or an H2 receptor antagonist, for reflux or burps. The doctor having missed both possibilities we have discussed - blood flow and thyroid issues. Given the context I see them in, thyroid is often eventually understood to have been the cause. Further, use of these can also impact on absorption of nutrients - such as B12. As B12 is likely already low (lots of links between low B12 and thyroid disorders), this can have the serious effect of causing real B12 deficiency.

My health is unbalanced, I reason that when it was much more balanced, I could eat what's considered a more "Balanced diet", but now I need to consume a diet my body can cope with, which keeps my health more balanced that it would otherwise be following a conventional "Balanced diet". It's a personal calculation and individual for everyone, especially when older or ill. Empirically, I test to see what works for me - I think it's wise to experiment with diet.

I'm hoping exercise and further weight loss will bring my possible thyroid issue back in line. I do feel a lot better already - that slow jog I did the other day really has done me some good. Weirdly despite cycling, my thighs ache like mad still, after a mere 42 minutes of slow jogging (there was half a hill and an incline). I'm ready for another slow run session tomorrow (or the day after).

 

[guerney]

Bloody hell my booster appointment is in half an hour, and I've only jusy now managed to hack my doomsday prepper beard off with a beard trimmer, which has failing batteries. Quick shave then out!

 

[Zlatan]

I thought you were joking about the North Sea! Like the Icelandic and their post-sauna ice plunge pools... I'd imagine there is use of more muscles overall while sailing; compound movements rather than just the legs (cycling). I speculate that you'd burn more calories sailing, but accept that I might be mistaken. I've only been sailing once in Holland, on a flat windy lake in a small boat requiring little effort to direct.

It's windsurfing, so do spend lots of time in water.... And use lots of meat pies.

 

[Zlatan]

I saw this on the BBC news, so heavily fuzzed out that it's impossible to see the truth and with a deliberately mournful dialogue to persuade. We've often seen perfectly clear ICU filming of covid patients with normal reporting so why not on this occasion?

One really needs a BS filter on occasions like this, it was clearly a carefully prepared and manipulative propaganda film to aid the government's booster and jab campaign.

Reminds me of the anti apartheid propaganda films long ago, dialogue on TV telling us how terribly the blacks were treated, but when the sound was turned down the pictures only showed by far the best dressed and best fed black people in the whole of Africa,

Yes apartheid was socially inhuman, but it didn't warrant deliberate falsehoods to make that point.
.

With both examples it's not how presentation is made its the facts behind it.
Over 80% of folk in ICU in Liverpool are young (ish) and not vaccinated.
It is not propoganda. It's meant to push the message. There is a difference.