High dose vitamin C is also suspected of increasing the likelihood of those who are prone to the issue to suffer from kidney stones.Ok, I can agree with the above - having the $hits constantly is bad ;-)
However whenever I've heard the advice on VitC dosage and working up to bowel tolerance, what they tell you to do is to SLOWLY work up, day by day over some weeks (that's really important!), until you do start to then get loose stools, then you back off so you DON'T get the runs.
There is only one day or so when you might get an issue, but then you know where you are max dosage wise, and you're good to go. This is on my list of things to do shortly
Super high dosing can be in the hundreds of thousands of grams per day with amazing results. However that has to be administered intravenously! (I shudder to think what might happen if you tried that orally LOL)
Most people can get up to around 20g per day via tablet/powder. But 4-6g per day seems a sensible minimum target to aim for from what I've read (spread out over the day - not all in one go!)
I have merely pointed out some strange anomalies where data presented by some media outlets doesn't seem to tally up with even the SAME data on the original source.BBC News At Ten.
Headlines just for GiJoe.
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No doubt GI has done some research showing them all to be liars.
I am a regular reporter of errors.Ok, I can agree with the above - having the $hits constantly is bad ;-)
However whenever I've heard the advice on VitC dosage and working up to bowel tolerance, what they tell you to do is to SLOWLY work up, day by day over some weeks (that's really important!), until you do start to then get loose stools, then you back off so you DON'T get the runs.
There is only one day or so when you might get an issue, but then you know where you are max dosage wise, and you're good to go. This is on my list of things to do shortly
Super high dosing can be in the hundreds of thousands of grams per day with amazing results. However that has to be administered intravenously! (I shudder to think what might happen if you tried that orally LOL)
Most people can get up to around 20g per day via tablet/powder. But 4-6g per day seems a sensible minimum target to aim for from what I've read (spread out over the day - not all in one go!)
I have not looked over the original sources for your or Zlatans data, but there are any number of ways the information could be reconciled ... In any hospital or group of hospitals the number of people in the ICUs might be 80%. . So a Dr in Oxford for instance will be looking at his area. But the other point is much easier to reconcile... The table Zlatan quoted was valid for May into July ..when the ratio was 20% fully vaxxed, and the remainder partially or non vaxxed. My response was based on the November data.I don't disagree with what you are saying here, but what I was specifically questioning was Zlatan's statement (and the statements from doctors and journalists that he linked to) that 80% of the people in ICUs are unvaccinated.
You yourself have looked at the data from the graph I showed (from the icnarc) and concluded that its about 50/50.
Yet the graph Zlatan posted was ALSO supposed to have been created from icnarc data.
How come your (and my) interpretation of the data says its around 50/50, but all these other places are effectively saying its the unvaccinated that are clogging up the ICU's - "Covid patients in ICU now almost all unvaccinated, says Oxford scientist" etc
it would seem that either you and I have both misinterpreted the data (in which case I'd really like to know where we've gone wrong to avoid making the same mistake in the future), or the other sources (the guardian, the times, 'full fact', Zlatan himself) appear to be disseminating misleading information.
Its seems sensible to understand what's going on here. I for one would like to know whether I can trust the information coming from mainstream media sources, because at the moment, looking at things like the above, I'm unsure.
Nev... I can attest to the requirement and competition for admission to ICUs. My son, was deteriorating from complications with his CF . Infections had gone mad, , and we had already been given "the talk " by the consultants that they were just going to let him go. One of the younger consultants, not actually on his team, but with recent knowledge of autoimmunity, suspected that might be the problem, and only on that basis was he admitted. He was correct and our son is still with us 14 years later. But they would have left the ICU bed idle unless they had had an expectation of success.I haven't looked at the graphs linked on this thread recently about unvaccinated people in ICU etc, but I have posted before about this situation. As mentioned previously I have a lot of friends and family either still working or recently retired from the NHS, and so get to hear what is going on. For probably over 6 months now most (but not all) of the patients in ICU in the couple of large general hospitals in my area have been unvaxxed. As I wrote in the past about this, there is absolutely no reason for the people working on these wards to be lying about this situation.
One thing though that perhaps I should have mentioned is that the people that end up in ICU and on ventilators etc are carefully selected. Here are a few examples that hopefully demonstrate what I mean.
Two people are in hospital with serious Covid symptoms, one a reasonable healthy 40 year old unvaxxed individual, the other an 86 year old double and boosted vaxxed with lots of underlying health problems. Who do you think is likely to go to ICU and perhaps put on a ventilator.
Some more examples, same 40 year old as above but a 78 year old man double vaxxed and boosted with late stage dementia, who is likely to go to ICU.
40 year old as above, 89 year old double vaxxed and boosted in reasonable health for his age apart for the serious covid of course, but he has given family instructions he does not want to be put on a ventilator or have any long term and intrusive health interventions (this situation is very common speak to any nurse working on an acute ward).
So what I am saying is that the people who end up in ICU are the ones that the health staff think have the best chance of pulling through and making a decent recovery after being put on a ventilator etc. These will often be the younger people who are often unvaxxed. So it's not completely unsurprising that we see a lot of unvaxxed younger people in ICU, because a lot of older vaxxed people who have bad covid probably would be unlikely to survive or make a decent recovery from the kinds of interventions they would have to have on an ICU ward.
Nobody is competent to be their own physician.. that is an axiom. But even lay people can figure out that there is a problem with others ... The number of minor and serious ailments in children recognised by parents is legion. The big problem is that lay people will home in on an obvious symptom and not an underlying cause.That's interesting.
I've noted that quite a few people here seem to take the opinion of 'Normal people aren't qualified to make judgements on medical issues ... we should all just listen to our qualified doctors and do what they advise'
Are you someone who doesn't agree with that viewpoint?
Said a man of perfectly sound mind who is able to present a rational argument based real world observations. The perspicacity of your remarks is refreshing. Well done you.my vitamin c comes in 2.5l bottles and the bbc are full of $hit watching that crap rots ur brain
Obviously you are getting decrypts of SW's resistance cell messages faster than I am, must act them to work faster.Said a man of perfectly sound mind who is able to present a rational argument based real world observations. The perspicacity of your remarks is refreshing. Well done you.
The fat useless twat reads everything I write.Hey Jesus!
Your words of wisdom have met with success
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Getting Covid booster follows ‘teaching of Jesus Christ’, says Boris Johnson
PM urges public to take up jab in Christmas message that echoes archbishop saying vaccination is ‘how we love our neighbour’
I am amazed he reads your posts!
Probably the boys and girls at Menwith Hill put him wise.
And of course our Xmas message to them
"Merry Christmas y'all we rely on your support!"
Agreed.Nobody is competent to be their own physician..
Glad I saw that while I was in the bathroom with the WC close by.Hey Jesus!
Your words of wisdom have met with success
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Getting Covid booster follows ‘teaching of Jesus Christ’, says Boris Johnson
PM urges public to take up jab in Christmas message that echoes archbishop saying vaccination is ‘how we love our neighbour’
I am amazed he reads your posts!
Probably the boys and girls at Menwith Hill put him wise.
And of course our Xmas message to them
"Merry Christmas y'all we rely on your support!"
I have deep doubts about the sense of getting a fourth using an existing vaccine if there are updated vaccines in the pipeline. Might it not be better to defer, and just get the updated one?According to Times and Independant we'll be offered our 4th shot at least 4 months after 3rd. That takes yours truly to beginning of March..
Comment from Dr Anthony Harden (vice chair of JCVI)
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Same story again tho... 90% at what. Kerping ICU full of unvaccinated or stopping Covid in its tracks. Suspect this misuse of statistics is adding confusion for those inclined to find fault with.
You would have thought by now they had learnt. Footballers get training for months about what to say and what not to media.
Shame unimportant folk like deputy head of JCVI don't get same.
I think it's fostering (and festering) trouble in many peoples minds and leads us to generally be in appreciative of what vaccines (antigens) have achieved.
They should be more honest, precise and down to earth. Banding about claims of 90% efficacy started this row. And it's not just privvy yo Pedelel forum.
I, ll be having mine when available.
Yep, probably. Think most of us have a couple of months to decide. See what infection rate is by March and there should be more info about omni variant jabs and perhaps one more along lines Flecc talks of. But I don't think much will have changed. There might even be another more infectious less virilent strain.I have deep doubts about the sense of getting a fourth using an existing vaccine if there are updated vaccines in the pipeline. Might it not be better to defer, and just get the updated one?
If effective treatments do actually arrive, and are available to everyone who needs them, the vaccination programs might be seen as far less important.
Me too, you have to put some trust into these people otherwise society would break down completely. I am retired so have time to take a bit more interest in both health and political matters than I did when I was working but I still try not to get too consumed with it.Again, I, ll be listening to JCVI etc,