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Danidl

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Actually Soundwave, while that statement is correct, maybe you should have fleshed it out and given the whole story! which is:

These 'vaccines' have already caused more deaths and adverse reactions, than ALL other vaccinations COMBINED, since records began!!!

And in every other previous medical trial (and lets not forget - this is still a trial!), when the death toll gets up to around 50 people, the trial is immediately halted and the vaccines withdrawn. We are now ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE past this figure.
Yet nothing has changed, but worse, nobody in the mainstream seems to want to talk about it.
Why isn't this THE number 1 point of discussion ??? Short of a third world war, I'd have thought this would have been the biggest front page news since ... well ... WW2 !!
Its almost as if the whole of the MSM are being pressurised in some way to avoid talking about it. But is that possible ?
You just will not respond to facts and data will you?. Just to make it simple when half the entire worlds population 8000 Million have received the vaccine , it is NOT AT TRIAL it is the real deal. 8000 Million doses of double and treble jabs have already been administered. Now back to your nonsense about trials and procedures being abandoned at 50 deaths ... I have undergone 3 times in the last year a medical procedure with a KNOWN mortality rate off 3% . Since it is carried out routinely in my hospital about 10 times a day, 6 days a week and there are similar theatres in every major city on the planet, ... A million per year in the USA alone. The number of deaths per annum is a lot more than 50
 
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Having read it through, what I derive is that there's not much point in a future continuous path of vaccinations that are only effective against the disappearing variants, not the rapidly appearing replacement variants.

The best defence is likely to be learning to live with it, acceptance that SARS is with us for good, so masking when appropriate and we all now know when that is; in public enclosed spaces including transport. To that we could usefully add the common Far Eastern practice of masking 24 hours a day in public for a few days when there's any signs of having cold like symptoms.
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I am sure there are lessons to be learned. There is a new vaccine going on test at the moment based on a segment of the virus RNA that has not changed so far to see if it remains efficacious against all variants.
 
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The number of Tory MPs who voted against the latest Covid restrictions is now revealed to be 100.

That's almost half of all the back benchers.
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Boris is on his way out.??
Listened to Starmer other day. He actually spoke sense and made good points..
Wonder how much worse Government can get before a vote of confidence??
 

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almost 19% no second dose
I am aware of a number who had severe reactions to a first dose, and were told to seek advice about what to do next. So far, I am not aware of any who have received proper advice. Yes, some have been told to try one of the other vaccines. But that seemed like an instant response rather than a considered reply. Even their GPs have been unable to access proper advicd. And, even if told to get a specific vaccine, actually achieving that has been difficult. For example, if told Moderna/Pfizer/AstraZeneca would be the best choice, they simply cannot make arrangements to get it. They might have emailed or rung and been offered whatever they are using locally. No possibility of anything else.

That almost certainly won't account for much of the gap between 10% and 19%, but it will account for some.
 
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Boris is on his way out.??
they discussed the subject on Newsnight last night.
The general idea is BJ will not be leading the conservatives into the next election and likely be out next summer.
Liz Truss is the new Mrs T. and in pole position to replace him.
 
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Well then, we are well and truly ******. Mrs Fuckall who has done fuckall and who is on track to achieve fuckall.
she did and does much better than her predecessors in the same posts:

FCO: replacing Dominic Raab and Boris Johnson
International Trade: replacing Liam Fox
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: replacing David Gauke
 

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I am aware of a number who had severe reactions to a first dose, and were told to seek advice about what to do next. So far, I am not aware of any who have received proper advice.
That almost certainly won't account for much of the gap between 10% and 19%, but it will account for some.
Agreed, and many will have regarded any somewhat unpleasant reaction as serious. Today's population are far less tough and resilient than those of a few decades ago.

They even complain about other people's parties they weren't invited to. ;)
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Jesus H Christ

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she did and does much better than her predecessors in the same posts:
That’s a very low bar.

These people are so stupid, they confuse education with intelligence. Most of them, by complete accident of birth, were born into circumstances which allowed them to receive a good quality education. That does nothing to mitigate the fact that they are still thick / incompetent. Jacob Rees Mogg for example. Speaks nicely, but as thick as pigshit.
 

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she did and does much better than her predecessors in the same posts:

FCO: replacing Dominic Raab and Boris Johnson
International Trade: replacing Liam Fox
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: replacing David Gauke
And you call that praise?
 

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That’s a very low bar.

These people are so stupid, they confuse education with intelligence. Most of them, by complete accident of birth, were born into circumstances which allowed them to receive a good quality education. That does nothing to mitigate the fact that they are still thick / incompetent. Jacob Rees Mogg for example. Speaks nicely, but as thick as pigshit.
it's a whole ecosystem based on conservative party values.
Liz Truss has pretty good parents which is more than the other candidates: Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove, Rishi Sunak, Pritti Patel and Matt Hancock.
 

Zlatan

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I'm trying to digest that. What do you like about her? If I bump into her in a dark alley I'd have an emotional automatism and have to leave, in a hurry.
Each to his own... I can imagine a few worse things to bump into in a dark alley than Patel.. Bet there's quite a few posting on here..
 

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