Brexit, for once some facts.
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It's been a good day we realise that our PM is spineless and the President of the US is mentally unstable,possibly suffering from dementia.
Perhaps we will wake up tomorrow and realise it was all just a nightmare.
What a mess,I hope Brexiters are happy.
KudosDave
Perhaps we will wake up tomorrow and realise it was all just a nightmare.
What a mess,I hope Brexiters are happy.
KudosDave
You cant blame Trump on Brexit...
Its scary what's going on over there, more so with China..
No but you can blame Theresa May,she is right wing politically led which is,of course,why Cameron offered the referendum in the first place.
She also made a mistake meeting Trump so early,she is now partnered with Trump and all he stands for.....she now has a problem of how she keeps up Trump's proverbial but criticising his anti Muslim stance, a bad political mistake on her part.
Corbyn had a wonderful opportunity to kick her over the Article 50 bill by giving his MP's a free vote but has stupidly lost that opportunity.
She is going to go through hell next week and rightfully so.
KudosDave
Or Brexit on the don't knows who couldn't make their minds up which side to vote for, but come down on the winning side afterwards, then decide after all they will be happy to accept whatever the Mp's decide.
Even if Brexit is rejected.
Talk about
I used to be unsure,
But now I'm not certain about that.
Oh the joys of Brexit
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Theresa May secures multi billion pound fighter jet deal with Turkey before challenging President Erdogan on human rights
Brexit; financed by selling killing machines to Despots, with a warning to be nice when you use them.
"The Goodness will Flow!"
And of course the odd few gallons of Blood, but hey! there's a profit to be made, so what's a little blood from people Trump doesn't want anyway?
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Theresa May secures multi billion pound fighter jet deal with Turkey before challenging President Erdogan on human rights
Brexit; financed by selling killing machines to Despots, with a warning to be nice when you use them.
"The Goodness will Flow!"
And of course the odd few gallons of Blood, but hey! there's a profit to be made, so what's a little blood from people Trump doesn't want anyway?
Amazing how selective Trump's ban is
I wonder why The country that produced the 9/11 terrorists is still an acceptable nation
TM said "no more interventionism!"
But that was before Trump told her that we will have to help kill off isis.
The good news is TM has made a statement
A spokesman said: "Immigration policy in the United States is a matter for the government of the United States, just the same as immigration policy for this country should be set by our government.
"But we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking."
Oh Dear in the Daily Mail the Brexit voters reader's letters are calling for a Trump type ban here too!
So much for her principles, how long before we get a refugee ban here too to buy them off?
I wonder why The country that produced the 9/11 terrorists is still an acceptable nation
TM said "no more interventionism!"
But that was before Trump told her that we will have to help kill off isis.
The good news is TM has made a statement
A spokesman said: "Immigration policy in the United States is a matter for the government of the United States, just the same as immigration policy for this country should be set by our government.
"But we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking."
Oh Dear in the Daily Mail the Brexit voters reader's letters are calling for a Trump type ban here too!
So much for her principles, how long before we get a refugee ban here too to buy them off?
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..... and no other country makes and sells arms do they? France has never sold or provided technical weapons support have they? Oh, hang on a minute, they have. They sold missiles to be used against British troops. Whatever the rights or wrongs of selling arms, why are you singling out your own country for criticism? If you are to criticise selling weapons, condemn it internationally. Additionally, your "goodness will flow" comment, which was originally used by me regarding the long term benefits of BREXIT, seems to link this deal to BREXIT. Why do that?
You appear to intensely dislike the UK and will pounce on any opportunity to undermine its standing.
More goodness flowing and a Promise of £350? er no
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NHS spending per person will be cut next year, ministers confirm
The funding constraints come despite the unfolding ‘humanitarian crisis’ in the health service
Brexit everything is coming up roses, isn't it?
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NHS spending per person will be cut next year, ministers confirm
The funding constraints come despite the unfolding ‘humanitarian crisis’ in the health service
Brexit everything is coming up roses, isn't it?
Nice try, but as usual way off the mark what France does is up to France, what we do is what we have to answer for.
I am singling out our country because there is simply no guarantee that these weapons will neither be used to oppress innocent people, nor even be used against us.
They will almost certainly be used against the Kurds
And yes, I do condemn selling weapons internationally, no problem there.
I note that as far as you are concerned there is no moral dimension in selling weapons to a despot who has imprisoned 140, 000 of his own people without trial.
I link "The Goodness will flow" because had there been no need to make desperate alliances and deals to bring in Blood money to prop up the sagging economy, and make Brexit look viable, sales to any of these Middle Eastern countries with despotic regimes would have been rejected.
All these weapons will do is help to destabilise the region even more.
Why not go the full hog for Brexit? start another war somewhere and sell weapons to both sides, creating a Brexit Boom?
Brexit at any price! who cares how we make the money? seems to be your view.
What does this have to do with BREXIT.? As KTM Bicycle Man tells us, BREXIT hasn't happened yet.
What is happening now, today, is happening under EU membership.
You really do hate Britain don't you?
The only unstable region and threat to the UK is your post code.
Are you still asleep. this is originating from the Government, not from the EU
The EU didn't promise £350 million to the NHS, politicians here did, or have you forgotten that?
I don't hate Britain at all, but betting it's future on nothing more than a Gamble which is what you want it quite simply a stupid act, which I am against because I actually CARE about the future of the country that you want to jeapordise in something akin to the bet on a outsider racehorse.
Again we are getting this pathetic "oppose Brexit and you are an enemy of the people"
Save that for the simple minded who might fall for such nonsense.
And now it appears that to object to cuts in NHS funding triggers the response that "You really hate Britain" which means by implication that you approve of these cuts.
point noted.
You are losing it again tillson, dont go there.
In fact (the thread is about facts) they had previously equipped the Argentinian armed forces with Exocets, they didn't sell them with the explicit goal of them being used against the British. And when the Argentinians pressured for more they refused to supply them.
"the Royal Navy had 15 surface combat ships armed with Exocets in the Falklands War"
They also sold the same missile to the British it seems. And when you fire them apparently they fly in the right direction unlike some of the missiles you use now...
Easily taken in aren't you? we are not enemies, this is a debate, a verbal contest, we know how that works, don't you?
How do you imagine Parliament itself operates?
Come and join in, have your two pennorth, if you think you can take the cut and thrust of debate, all are welcome
The original point concerned the sale of weapons. OG was singling out the UK. It doesn't make it any more acceptable, but I was making the case that this is not exclusively a UK issue.In fact (the thread is about facts) they had previously equipped the Argentinian armed forces with Exocets, they didn't sell them with the explicit goal of them being used against the British. And when the Argentinians pressured for more they refused to supply them.
"the Royal Navy had 15 surface combat ships armed with Exocets in the Falklands War"
They also sold the same missile to the British it seems. And when you fire them apparently they fly in the right direction unlike some of the missiles you use now...
As for Trident. It was a TEST. The clue is in the word TEST. Tests are conducted to try something, a new system, modification, procedure or component. In other words develop. Sometimes tests don't work and that's ok, that's why we test, to learn, so that then influences development.
Of course for some, OG for example, a test is a golden opportunity to ridicule and criticise his nation.
You could have used then the example of the USA selling arms to Saudi Arabia who in turn uses them on hospitals in Yemen. In my reply I indicated that once the Argentinians started using their Exocets on the British Navy France immediately stopped supplying them thus breaking a running arms contract.
Trident II works with US warheads. I was indeed mocking the on-going multi-billion pound UK warhead redesign and wondering if the money wouldn't be better spent on the NHS? My point isn't to criticize the nation itself but rather priorities when other nations were scaling back their nuclear arms plans or making do with what they already have which is terrifying enough in capacity...