I try to hang on to the belief that Brexit voters aren't stupid, the way you are acting is not helping at all
Grow up! and stop resorting to childish remarks like that.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Grow up! and stop resorting to childish remarks like that.
One of the bloggers I read quite often as an alternative to the mainstream tory propaganda organs has this to say today and although it's not particularly new material, it's worth a read to give some balance to the stuff we can't avoid if we have a TV or ever pick up a newspaper.
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/tory-economic-treason.html
Tom
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/tory-economic-treason.html
Tom
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Theresa May repeatedly refuses to condemn Donald Trump's immigration ban
'The United States is responsible for the United States’ policy on refugees,' Prime Minister says
The woman is really becoming a liability and will condone anything and promote anyone where a profit can be extracted.
Theresa May repeatedly refuses to condemn Donald Trump's immigration ban
'The United States is responsible for the United States’ policy on refugees,' Prime Minister says
The woman is really becoming a liability and will condone anything and promote anyone where a profit can be extracted.
I agree with making work attractive and idleness unattractive,IDS has been trying to achieve that by his universal credit reforms.
I see that you agree with us Remoaners that Brexit is going to make us poorer (public money will be short),making us poorer seems a torturous way of pushing the idle back to work(enhance the suffering of the idle).
Unfortunately what you are displaying is that Brexit was assumed that it would a solution to all of the ills of the U.K.,we are coming out of the EU,that is the only direct result of the result of the referendum. However,Theresa May has taken this vote to take our country in a UKIP/Tory right wing direction,with no mandate to do so and not wanted by the majority.
The unemployment of the idle comes back to poor upbringing,environment and education particularly felt in poorer parts of the U.K.,but May and Co don't seem of a mind to do much about that,you don't need Brexit to catalyse improvements in those areas.
KudosDave
In course of this thread I wonder just how many posters OG and Tom have wound up to point of sheer frustration. They see insult where there is none, offend when its totally unnecessary and generally ruin good debate. I,ve totally disagreed with Woosh, KTM,Kudos , even Tilson and lots of others but in each of those cases posters are capable of expressing opinions without resorting to insult, patronising or silly humour. OG and Tom just cant communicate without resorting to all 3. Its a shame because behind all the insult, attempted humour, and self righteous arrogance there is an occasional valid point, which gets lost in their Trump style debating technique. They become the very people they say they despise. Its very strange for so called mature civilised gentlemen..
And BTW Tom, you keep insisting remainers have been brainwashed by press..which is certainly not case. Suspect all of us know to take most stuff in media nowadays with a pinch of salt, but ironically you believe every word in Vox and AAV...both blatant left wing propoganda.
And BTW Tom, you keep insisting remainers have been brainwashed by press..which is certainly not case. Suspect all of us know to take most stuff in media nowadays with a pinch of salt, but ironically you believe every word in Vox and AAV...both blatant left wing propoganda.
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Kudos
I don't think Brexit ever was going to or ever will solve all UK,s ills but then again EU certainly wasn't going to.
Our future lies looking further afield than Europe, staying within eu will limit those horizons and would have ( will, if we stay) start introducing further restrictions in years to come.
Could people really imagine the part EU plays in our lives 30 years ago ? And in another 30 years ?
I don't think Brexit ever was going to or ever will solve all UK,s ills but then again EU certainly wasn't going to.
Our future lies looking further afield than Europe, staying within eu will limit those horizons and would have ( will, if we stay) start introducing further restrictions in years to come.
Could people really imagine the part EU plays in our lives 30 years ago ? And in another 30 years ?
Don't appeal to the audience 'Woosh'. Whatever else you may have stated in this thread, I doubt any of it is as shameful as your stance on Australians and by definition, all Commonwealth citizens.
That you cannot even see that your comment is out of order and you fail to offer any apology for the remark simply further demonstrates your ignorance.
As for your last sentence, what are you talking about? What argument?
Tom
This entire post is completely and utterly ridiculous. Woosh insulted or offended nobody.
Tom does this all the time. He labelled me a racist for absolutely nothing.
This is a big issue in our society at moment. Folk like Tom think its ok to shout " racist" or " offensive" when literally nothing has happened. In the mean time the real racists , offensive people go happily along unchallenged. You just cant do this Tom. Its utterly uncalled for
ffensive and unfair. An individual cant prove a negative. Woosh cant prove he isn't something. ( in this case offensive) I cant prove I,m not racist and we should not have to. I think you are going mad.Have a good read of Woosh's posts. If you see offence its because you are looking for it. GIVE IT A REST. If anyone owes apologies its you.
For what its worth I,ve reported Tom,s post to mods. I think this is worse than swearing, insult, . Its totally offensive.
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Yes, I don't have to imagine the EU's part 30 years ago, I have an excellent memory and can tell you that it didn't play enough of a part.
Fortunately for all of us it now plays a very much bigger part, greatly improving the lives of many.
And in another 30 years it could well have made our lives even better, but sadly ignorance and stupidity has triumphed instead and we in the UK may have little or no part in that.
Unless of course we have come to our collective senses and rejoined the EU, which by then will be well on the way to becoming the one federal country of United Europe and a major force in the world.
Much to the pleasure of Jean Claude Juncker who will be a contented 92 then.
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This post is another example of a gratuitous attack for no other purpose than to gain a response and create an argument
It has nothing whatever to do with the thread
Why do you keep doing this?
isn't it time you found somewhere else to vent your arrogance and ill temper and leave us in peace?
Do everyone a favour
Post something connected with the thread and keep your personal attacks to yourself
Your post was, on the credit side and excellent Self portrait, after all you came on here to be a trouble causer didn't you? and you are.
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Already Trumps anti Muslim stance has a reaction from Iran,they haven't stated what form that reaction will take but obviously the start of a diplomatic spat,he has upset all 7 Muslim countries.
He is at the start of a tariff war with Mexico.
He has upset the Chinese by threatening trade tariffs and anti the south China island sea islands,bad news they own most of the US Sovereign debt.
He has upset Merkel because of his anti EU status.
He has upset all the countries on the Pacific rim by cancelling the Pacific trade deal.
He has upset all his in-house media and the BBC.
Not bad in one week,hehe
KudosDave
He is at the start of a tariff war with Mexico.
He has upset the Chinese by threatening trade tariffs and anti the south China island sea islands,bad news they own most of the US Sovereign debt.
He has upset Merkel because of his anti EU status.
He has upset all the countries on the Pacific rim by cancelling the Pacific trade deal.
He has upset all his in-house media and the BBC.
Not bad in one week,hehe
KudosDave
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And people like you imagine it's impressive to attack everyone yet make no contribution the the Thread.This entire post is completely and utterly ridiculous. Woosh insulted or offended nobody.
Tom does this all the time. He labelled me a racist for absolutely nothing.
This is a big issue in our society at moment. Folk like Tom think its ok to shout " racist" or " offensive" when literally nothing has happened. In the mean time the real racists , offensive people go happily along unchallenged. You just cant do this Tom. Its utterly uncalled for
Have a good read of Woosh's posts. If you see offence its because you are looking for it. GIVE IT A REST. If anyone owes apologies its you.
Take your own advice
prove a negative and make a cogent on topic post
I wonder how long before he is impeached or otherwise neutered, he must be really pushing the patience of the American Body politic by now!
I,m not attacking anyone. I,m saying it exactly as it is.
Why does staying in the EU stop us 'furthering our horizons'.....I sell to at least half the world,the other half are just not interested in what I have to sell.I have never found being in the EU restricting any sale,anywhere....I think this grasping opportunities rhetoric is an invention of Fox and May but has no basis.
This getting a trade deal with the USA is also rubbish,we happily trade with each other already there are few restrictions,it's political hype to give May and Trump something to offer the media.
The only restrictions to trade are the anti-dumping duties placed on countries with low labour costs,mainly from China and India. Taking those duties away by a free trade deal with say China will destroy what's left of our old industries,as a strong importer I would love it but it would cause big job losses in SME's in the UK.
I just don't see these restrictions ,either now or proposed ,please educate me where they occur?
However,I don't like the sound of those WTO tariffs,at the moment import tariffs average about 4% but there are some big numbers,in WTO....cars and parts,10%....lamb,40%.....these will really hurt. Get the calculator out and more price rises,still as I have said before Brexiters voted for it,so they are happy to pay for it,aren't they???
KudosDave
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Well at least now we can say MPs did or didn't take us out, instead if blaming each other and calling one side or another stupid.Yes, I don't have to imagine the EU's part 30 years ago, I have an excellent memory and can tell you that it didn't play enough of a part.
Fortunately for all of us it now plays a very much bigger part, greatly improving the lives of many.
And in another 30 years it could well have made our lives even better, but sadly ignorance and stupidity has triumphed instead and we in the UK may have little or no part in that.
Unless of course we have come to our collective senses and rejoined the EU, which by then will be well on the way to becoming the one federal country of United Europe and a major force in the world.
Much to the pleasure of Jean Claude Juncker who will be a contented 92 then.
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Someone will take him out,he must be a security nightmare in the states.
KudosDave
That amounts to an admission that you don't even know you are doing it, but then is that a surprise, no not really.
It had nothing whatever to do with the subject of this thread and you should not have made such a posting.
According to you...when mods ask me to modify I would..in mean time hard luck. I,ll carry on pointing out what a PITA you and Tom actually are.
In other words you confirm by that statement that you will continue making scurrilous attacks until prevented, you are simply an irritant by your own admission and wasting our time.
Pretty stupid to post your intentions in that way, only a moron would do that deliberately, is it your ambition to prove that is what you are'?