Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Keynote speech: Lord Evans, Chair of the Committee on Standards in Public Life. Calling for regulators to be put on a stautory basis to guarantee independence:

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Johnson will really appreciate this. Not.

Paterson vote 'very damaging' for parliament, says standards watchdog

At the start of his speech Lord Evans, chair of the committee on standards in public life, described yesterday’s Commons vote to shelve the proposed suspension of Owen Paterson for breaking lobbying rules as a “very serious and damaging moment” for parliament. He said:

Yesterday’s vote on the report of the Commons standards sommittee was a very serious and damaging moment for parliament and for public standards in this country.

It cannot be right that MPs should reject after one short debate the conclusions of the independent commissioner for standards and the House of Commons committee on standards, conclusions that arose from an investigation lasting two years.

It cannot be right to propose an overhaul of the entire regulatory system in order to postpone or prevent sanctions in a very serious case of paid lobbying by an MP.

 

[oyster]

Too bloody late:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1456209237361713158

 

[GLJoe]

<"Think Joe was quoting about United "States"?? .. ">
no, he was talking about the NHS, FOI requests and our parliament.
The CDC story is a side story.
His point is the number of false positives.
My point is the numbers can't be trusted if you move the CT to suit the government.

Well actually my point was all of the above!
I agree, you can't trust the numbers at all. And when you look at what certain governments are doing to manipulate figures, it means you shouldn't by default trust ANYTHING that comes from those governments - be they UK or USA.
(and lets not kid ourselves here, it also doesn't matter whether its Labour or Conservative, Republican or Democrat ... its simply foolish to trust governments by default)

The number of Covid deaths can't also be trusted for similar reasons.

Yes, that would be the logical conclusion.

whereas the number of people hospitalised don't suffer from the same kind of manipulations.

Well ... we have to be careful here as to what 'manipulations' we 're talking about!
Maybe the total number of people in hospital is indeed going to be difficult to fudge.

However the category they are subsequently put in can easily be manipulated. For example - here is another shocker:
Doctors have reported that a huge percentage of any adverse reactions and deaths from vaccinations that are going to occur, happen within the first week or so of the injection.
However they don't classify you as 'fully vaccinated' until something like 30 days AFTER the injection (because that's when they say the effectiveness kicks in)
Therefore if you get a jab, then die from a blood clot, or get myocarditis etc in the first few weeks, you are still considered to be 'un-vaccinated' when it comes to which group of statistics you get added to!!

How that for an ingenious way to manipulate the statistics!

In fact, just thinking about this - couple it with overly high PCR Cycle Threshold values, it means you could if you wanted to, take someone who died from a vaccination reaction, test them, get a positive PCR test, then their death would be added to the "died from Covid - not fully vaccinated" category.

 

[Woosh]

the bottom line is this: we have a lot more fully vaccinated people than covid cases.
Vaccination is not benign but a lot better way to create an immune response than natural infection.

 

[oyster]

fully vaccinated

Wonder when they will re-define that to need a booster?

(Not commenting on the process, etc., but if boosters as so important, regarding people without boosters as fully vaccinated would appear folly.)

 

[oyster]

What will Kathryn Stone OBE make of this?

Boris Johnson has admitted receiving a free holiday at a luxurious Spanish villa linked to Zac Goldsmith, the former MP who was given a peerage and job by the prime minister.
The latest update to the register of ministerial interests revealed that Johnson’s near week-long stay in the Marbella property in October was funded by the Goldsmith family.

 

[Woosh]

Wonder when they will re-define that to need a booster?

I think booster is important but should not be compulsory.

 

[Zlatan]

My goodness!

Why not tell the truth?
Not all Mps in this debacle
They are referring to the Tory MP's
And they are Fascists!

I agree many should be sacked and even prosecuted, but hung from nearest lamp post? No.
Strange isn't it. We all think world should be cleaner, less violent and more caring but all of us see it as somebody else's responsibility to change. Yes, we want less plastic waste, less air pollution, less violence but also insist on our foreign holidays, food wrapped in plastic, big cars and to just carry on insulting and name calling. Always, somebody else must change. Not me.

 

[Zlatan]

I think booster is important but should not be compulsory.

Think the lot should be compulsory.. Have vaccine or don't use NHS. Anti vaxxers want it both ways. Doctor tells them get a vaccine. Feck off, anti vaxxers says... But can I have medication for blah blah blah.

 

[Woosh]

Yes, we want less plastic waste, less air pollution, less violence but also insist on our foreign holidays, food wrapped in plastic, big cars and to just carry on insulting and name calling. Always, somebody else must change. Not me.

I would say that most of the problems can be reduced by more regulations.
Supermarkets charge for plastic bags, I bring my old bag instead of grabbing another one.
Same with after use, if street corners have plenty of bins, then the streets won't be so littered. If plastic is properly collected for recycling then not so much would wash up our beaches.

 

[GLJoe]

<"fully vaccinated ">
Wonder when they will re-define that to need a booster?

Are you talking about the Uk specifically, or asking will they do it in principle?
Because if its the latter - they have already done in some some parts of the world such as Israel, else their 'green pass' becomes invalid if they don't get their third shot.

And I was recently listening to a journalist from somewhere else (Chile perhaps?) where they reported the government there has effectively admitted they see it as a continual thing - you will be required to have booster jabs yearly or maybe even twice yearly if the effectiveness wanes as fast as they appear to be doing.

 

[Woosh]

you will be required to have booster jabs yearly or maybe even twice yearly if the effectiveness wanes as fast as they appear to be doing.

UK MHRA has approved Molnupiravir, an antiviral costing about £500 a course.
It will be given to those admitted in hospital.
Antivirals like that will remove the need for booster jabs unless your immune system is compromised.

 

[oyster]

Are you talking about the Uk specifically, or asking will they do it in principle?

I was being specific about the UK.

We need clarity of language - double-vaccinated in inappropriate wording if there is a one-shot vaccine, for example. (Something we are unlikely to get from the government.)

 

[Woosh]

Are you talking about the Uk specifically, or asking will they do it in principle?
Because if its the latter - they have already done in some some parts of the world such as Israel

I was talking to a travel agent yesterday. They told me how messy it is dealing with covid pass on behalf of their customers. Israel's covid regulation is tougher than most.

 

[Danidl]

Wonder when they will re-define that to need a booster?

(Not commenting on the process, etc., but if boosters as so important, regarding people without boosters as fully vaccinated would appear folly.)

... And as an over 70 , I got a call today to attend Friday week for a Booster!.. so no the 2 jab Pfizer defines fully vaccinated . The 3 jab will be fully vaccinated plus.

 

[Danidl]

I think booster is important but should not be compulsory.

Whether the 3rd Jab is the best use of a limited resource I remain unconvinced while there are only 7Billion vaccinations done globally and we need close on 16billon jabs . However it makes sense that it be required to hold ones vaxx cert valid.

 

[Woosh]

The 3 jab will be fully vaccinated plus.

I am diabetic so booster is a no brainer.

 

[oldgroaner]

Boris has chickened out, realising there is no profit for him in supporting this stooge
Over the side of the boat goes yesterday's hero

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1456269481341120528

My reaction

 

[oldgroaner]

I agree many should be sacked and even prosecuted, but hung from nearest lamp post? No.
Strange isn't it. We all think world should be cleaner, less violent and more caring but all of us see it as somebody else's responsibility to change. Yes, we want less plastic waste, less air pollution, less violence but also insist on our foreign holidays, food wrapped in plastic, big cars and to just carry on insulting and name calling. Always, somebody else must change. Not me.

Thank you vicar, will there be a collection?

 

[Zlatan]

Thank you vicar, will there be a collection?

Could have guessed. Stony ground I, m afraid.
But an improvement my son. So well done.