Brexit, for once some facts.

[guerney]

Mandatory speed limiters on EU cars from July 2024 | AutoTrader

All new vehicles sold in Europe – including Northern Ireland but not Great Britain – will be fitted with a mandatory speed limiter from 2024 to keep cars within the speed limits and boost road safety.

www.autotrader.co.uk

Didn't realise we, d agreed on this...
What do folk reckon... Good or bad..

But
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Haptic and audio visual speed warning system.... Already got one.. Wife.

I'm all for a 15.5mph speed limit on all road vehicles.

 

[Zlatan]

I'm all for a 15.5mph speed limit on all road vehicles.

Agreed... Freewheeling downhill to 25...

 

[guerney]

Agreed... Freewheeling downhill to 25...

The fastest I've managed is 38.1mph downhill... but that was an exceptionally long straight downhill "A" road freshly resurfaced, and I couldn't resist one night.

Drivers are able to switch the limiter off - seems pointless. Is there a record kept of when it's in operation, I wonder... will insurance companies give you a better deal if there's proof it's always on? A much lower non-removable speed limit would be better than speed bumps, which only proliferate yank tank style steel road mammoths - bumping into one of those while on a bike is a scary prospect. Speed reduction via wireless signal near schools is a great idea, which would also presumably be available to the Police and cyclists.

 

[Woosh]

And shutting the idiots up, which he doesn't.

like who? if you are talking about Angela Rayner, she just said what many people think.

 

[guerney]

like who? if you are talking about Angela Rayner, she just said what many people think.

I actually like that Rayner's a fag smoking mardy lady with issues, who says what she thinks.

 

[guerney]

Starmer will step down after losing his first general election, it's why he's been adding locks to the selection door to lock the centrism in, and keep another Corbyn out.

 

[Woosh]

Starmer will step down after losing his first general election, it's why he's been adding locks to the selection door to lock the centrism in, and keep another Corbyn out.

I don't think he will step down if he gains seats but loses overall.
Labour needs to get back a lot of seats it lost in Scotland and that's a nigh impossible task for his first general election.

 

[flecc]

How bad is China’s energy crisis?

Country is implementing power rationing as supplies dwindle due to price raise of imported coal

www.theguardian.com

Seems UK not alone with problems. Must be Brexit.

All in a good cause. Cutting the coal consumption so drastically to meet their climate crisis targets is a thoroughly good thing for all of us. The determination of Xi Jinping is exactly what all countries should have.
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[flecc]

Mandatory speed limiters on EU cars from July 2024 | AutoTrader

All new vehicles sold in Europe – including Northern Ireland but not Great Britain – will be fitted with a mandatory speed limiter from 2024 to keep cars within the speed limits and boost road safety.

www.autotrader.co.uk

Didn't realise we, d agreed on this...
What do folk reckon... Good or bad..

But
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Haptic and audio visual speed warning system.... Already got one.. Wife.

But the regulation includes an Off switch too at present amd the driver sets the maximum speed anyway. The manufaturers won't do anything that hurts their sales, as Renaults voluntary 112 mph limit shows.
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[oyster]

Mandatory speed limiters on EU cars from July 2024 | AutoTrader

All new vehicles sold in Europe – including Northern Ireland but not Great Britain – will be fitted with a mandatory speed limiter from 2024 to keep cars within the speed limits and boost road safety.

www.autotrader.co.uk

Didn't realise we, d agreed on this...
What do folk reckon... Good or bad..

But
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Haptic and audio visual speed warning system.... Already got one.. Wife.

Without any form of automatic cruise control, I think it would be horrible. And even with, it could be unpleasant if the limiter and cruise don't detect speed the same way.

I rarely go above any speed limit. I often use cruise control. I don't think this would make any real difference to my personal driving behaviour. But I am concerned about things like someopne overtaking by 0.005 mph because their vehicle is slightly differently set. How will it cope with temporary speed limits? Technical issues such as occur on one car I drive where the built-in speed limit detector just goes mad at times. That doesn't matter at present because all it does is display that you are going too fast.

It might also encourage the use of 60-50-40-30 progressive zones. There is one road near here, 60, and a moderately sharp left turn just ahead of it, only to be presented wth a 30 sign and very little distance to slow down gently. I know it is there, but if you don't, it can be a surprise. I don't think you want that situation to start triggering over-speed alerts and resulting in some drivers slamming their brakes on. That already happens to some extent but getting haptic and audio visual warnings might make it worse. (And if you do drive sensibly, following vehicles all too often decide your rear bumper needs a detailed inspection.)

I also foresee pre-22 behicles ending up as extra desirable because they don't have limiters. And a back-street industry in deactivating the limiters.

And how will they work when abroad? Will they automatically switch to km/h?

 

[flecc]

Speed reduction via wireless signal near schools is a great idea

No it isn't, just as speed bumps on school approaches is a thoroughly bad thing.

Necessary only at school opening times during school weeks is only 4.5% of all the hours in a year, so for 95.5 % of the time day and night we have to suffer tyre and suspension damage, wear and tear of vehicles and road surface potholes by the bumps for no reason whatsoever, environmental madness.

Schools should have switched and timed speed limiters operating for about an hour at both opening and closing times, operating traffic lights stopping any vehicle approaching at over the limit of a preceding limit sign. In other words, at 20mph just drive straight through on a smooth road if clear. Approach at 30 and the red light stops you and makes you wait a full minute. To deal with lights jumping cropping up, they could be coupled with a speed camera recording the registration of the offenders.
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[oyster]

No it isn't, just as speed bumps on school approaches is a thoroughly bad thing.

Necessary only at school opening times during school weeks is only 4.5% of all the hours in a year, so for 95.5 % of the time day and night we have to suffer tyre and suspension damage, wear and tear of vehicles and road surface potholes by the bumps for no reason whatsoever, environmental madness.

Schools should have switched and timed speed limiters operating for about an hour at both opening and closing times, operating traffic lights stopping any vehicle approaching at over the limit of a preceding limit sign. In other words, at 20mph just drive straight through on a smooth road if clear. Approach at 30 and the red light stops you and makes you wait a full minute. To deal with lights jumping cropping up, they could be coupled with a speed camera recording the registration of the offenders.
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Some schools in the area definitely have timed reduced speed limits. One has electronic signs which look pretty much exactly like ordinary speed signs and switch between 20 and 30 (I imagine on a timed basis).

Agreed that a traffic light approach might make sense.

But it might be largely academic if we go ahead with 20mph across all residential/sensitive areas 24/7 as I think is currently expected and being trialled. (Or will be in the near future.)

 

[guerney]

No it isn't, just as speed bumps on school approaches is a thoroughly bad thing.

Necessary only at school opening times during school weeks is only 4.5% of all the hours in a year, so for 95.5 % of the time day and night we have to suffer tyre and suspension damage, wear and tear of vehicles and road surface potholes by the bumps for no reason whatsoever, environmental madness.

Schools should have switched and timed speed limiters operating for about an hour at both opening and closing times, operating traffic lights stopping any vehicle approaching at over the limit of a preceding limit sign. In other words, at 20mph just drive straight through on a smooth road if clear. Approach at 30 and the red light stops you and makes you wait a full minute. To deal with lights jumping cropping up, they could be coupled with a speed camera recording the registration of the offenders.
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If they road taxed you to hell, they could introduce automatically timed speed bumps which raise and lower outside schools and old folk's homes, as needed. You could choose to only drive at "Low tide". They clip my right pedal sometimes when going around those things, don't like 'em... but there are a lot of stupid speed demons inhabiting cars on the roads.

Why don't they just fill speedbumps with custard? Non-newtonian fluid, non-toxic - you'd only pay the price of suspension repair (and a jetwash!) if you hit them too fast. Also useful when we run out of food... (unless they also contain anti-freeze)

 

[Zlatan]

like who? if you are talking about Angela Rayner, she just said what many people think.

Exactly... That's what I said. And that's why they don't get voted for. It's the polarisation of folk thinking it's justified. It isn't. Folk don't want to vote for people who even think it let alone say it. You have hit nail on the head. Labour supporters, including Starmer, daren't say it but secretly believe it. It the politics of division and hate. Its not the way Woosh.
Be honest, and don't type your answer.
If myself, flecc, and OG stood for election who would you vote for. Flecc, everytime, everybody? And why? Because he is reasonable, doesn't insult even tho he holds strong views. Me and OG represent the arguments, insults and Labour. Folk don't want that.
On another topic..
Who thinks Wayne Couzens should be hung?
I do. Now he is scum.

 

[guerney]

If myself, flecc, and OG stood for election who would you vote for. Flecc, everytime, everybody? And why? Because he is reasonable, doesn't insult even tho he holds strong views. Me and OG represent the arguments, insults and Labour. Folk don't want that.

Flecc seems to be very supportive of China, but there's an invasion through the use of debt to build roads, the purchase of ports all over the world etc. - none of that is in their defence budget, but they're weapons all the same. The only reason China appears to "Work" now, is because their daft system didn't work and they've been forced to reform slightly with capitalistic ideas, but that tide is now turning, now that they are flush with cash, and they're starting to revert to their core communist principles.

 

[Woosh]

If myself, flecc, and OG stood for election who would you vote for. Flecc, everytime, everybody? And why? Because he is reasonable, doesn't insult even tho he holds strong views.

there is a lot of flecc's in what Kier Starmer said.

 

[guerney]

I don't want naive leaders waving bits of paper shouting "Peace in our time!" - overly optimistic leaders are pleasant to know but a menace to society.

 

[guerney]

Badgering China about it's emissions is misplaced when everybody and their neighbour's dog needs a new iPhone every year, along with a whole host of other gadgets - carbon targets for countries should include a "iPhone Or Other Whoohoo Gadget Whizzbang Gizmo Consumption Index".

 

[Zlatan]

there is a lot of flecc's in what Kier Starmer said.

It's not policies Woosh. It's how people are perceived and how they react to problems in the party. Yes, Starmer is obviously a decent bloke but he doesn't transmit that character onto the party..
Folk assume I hate Labour Party, that's utter rubbish. I hate what labour have grown to represent.

 

[Zlatan]

Badgering China about it's emissions is misplaced when everybody and their neighbour's dog needs a new iPhone every year, along with a whole host of other gadgets - carbon targets for countries should include a "iPhone Or Other Whoohoo Gadget Whizzbang Gizmo Consumption Index".

Agreed, and all the other stuff cheap..
Its like folk grumbling about state Columbia is in then going out and buying coke...