Brexit, for once some facts.

[guerney]

Hooray, Symbio Energy has gone bust

I just hope I hear that the directors burn to death in a skip fire and my day will be a happy one.

If Ofgem leaves you wondering which way to go
You could do worse than going with ebico
(At least I think so)

it's getting worse, I'd better stop digging and go do some more actual digging

 

[Woosh]

I'll still vote for that clown,
But doing so will make me frown.

I hope there are many more like you!
As you said, there is little difference between soft Labour and soft Tory.
I still find soft Labour more electable.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

If Ofgem leaves you wondering which way to go
You could do worse than going with ebico
(At least I think so)

it's getting worse, I'd better stop digging and go do some more actual digging

I’ve been with Ebbico in the past. Never had a problem. I usually chase the absolute cheapest energy suppler. I don’t even care if they are burning Pandas to raise the steam to drive the turbines, as long as the juice is cheap. I came unstuck with Symbio. This may prompt me to rethink my energy ethics

 

[Zlatan]

I hope there are many more like you!
As you said, there is little difference between soft Labour and soft Tory.
I still find soft Labour more electable.

Have we been offered soft Labour?
We seem to be offered firebrands on a crusade like Rayner, confused types like Starmer and Corbyn and Marxists like McDonnel and McCluskey.

 

[flecc]

Trouble is I don't think anybody can guarantee or even fully know Chinese intentions... Its very subjective at moment. Let's hope it stays that way.

We know their intentions since they are very honest about them. They have clearly stated they want the world to become communist, but have chosen a different path to do it through strength. Basically through hearts and minds via employing economic strength. There's no doubt their revised form of democratic communism has been successful.

To judge which is Europe's better choice to dominate, I say look at the record.

Hating empires from their own experience under Britain, the USA declared war on Spain early in the 20th century to expel that country from it's empire countries like the Phillipines. Having succeeded with that, in 1930 they had a plan called Operation Red to next declare war on the big one, Britain and it's empire. The rise of Hitler and the Nazis interrupted that, but WW2 did the dirty work for them, enabling them to not only end the British Empire, but also the German, Dutch, Portugese and Italian ones, with the French one ending later. So Europe should not trust them.

The Chinese by contrast have always preferred friendship through trade as the ancient Silk Road shows, now being rebuilt as a trans continental railway which already extends from China to as far as Moscow in the west. Their structural help in countries in other parts of the world such as Africa demonstrate the same. And when Islamic Albania demonstrated their dislike for the west by declaring it would have China as a partner, China took no advantage of that militarily. Instead it once again took the trade and friendship route and is Albania's third largest trading partner now.

I think the above two examples illustrate the crucial national difference, Chinese maturity and long history of suffering from attacks, versus the US immaturity and never having been directly attacked by war. The Chinese know that ultimately all conquerers fail and no empire won through war lasts long, so they choose a wiser route to achieve their ambition.
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[Woosh]

Have we been offered soft Labour?

yes, I think we have.

 

[oldgroaner]

When a labour MP openly threatens to beat a journalist over the head with a baseball bat, Rayner comes on calling folk scum and Starmer fails to criticise either what chance do they have.

Interesting yet Johnson was involved in having someone roughed up, plus Racist comments galore Cove made comments about the toothless North, etc. etc.
And they treat the poor as human vermin,
That's OK?

When are you going to stop making invidious comments about the Labour Party when with no difficulty ten times worse examples can be found any day among the Tory's?

Remember, no matter how bad it gets after Brexit, who voted for it?
And no one is going to ride out of the sunset to the rescue.

 

[Zlatan]

We know their intentions since they are very honest about them. They have clearly stated they want the world to become communist, but have chosen a different path to do it through strength. Basically through hearts and minds via employing economic strength. There's no doubt their revised form of democratic communism has been successful.

To judge which is Europe's better choice to dominate, I say look at the record.

Hating empires from their own experience under Britain, the USA declared war on Spain early in the 20th century to expel that country from it's empire countries like the Phillipines. Having succeeded with that, in 1930 they had a plan called Operation Red to next declare war on the big one, Britain and it's empire. The rise of Hitler and the Nazis interrupted that, but WW2 did the dirty work for them, enabling them to not only end the British Empire, but also the German, Dutch, Portugese and Italian ones, with the French one ending later. So Europe should not trust them.

The Chinese by contrast have always preferred friendship through trade as the ancient Silk Road shows, now being rebuilt as a trans continental railway which already extends from China to as far as Moscow in the west. Their structural help in countries in other parts of the world such as Africa demonstrate the same. And when Islamic Albania demonstrated their dislike for the west by declaring it would have China as a partner, China took no advantage of that militarily. Instead it once again took the trade and friendship route and is Albania's third largest trading partner now.

I think the above two examples illustrate the crucial national difference, Chinese maturity and long history of suffering from attacks, versus the US immaturity and never having been directly attacked by war. The Chinese know that ultimately all conquerers fail and no empire won through war lasts long, so they choose a wiser route to achieve their ambition.
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I believe China makes biggest contribution to charities etc.. In entire world... But on the other hand Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet and Uyghurs might not see it your way??

 

[Zlatan]

yes, I think we have.

Where??

 

[Zlatan]

Interesting yet Johnson was involved in having someone roughed up, plus Racist comments galore Cove made comments about the toothless North, etc. etc.
And they treat the poor as human vermin,
That's OK?

When are you going to stop making invidious comments about the Labour Party when with no difficulty ten times worse examples can be found any day among the Tory's?

Remember, no matter how bad it gets after Brexit, who voted for it?
And no one is going to ride out of the sunset to the rescue.

You misunderstand me completely OG. Not sure what invidious means, but I, ll guess.
Yes, you are right, our Tory government are in many ways a disgrace but the only reason they are in power and will stay in power is because no matter how bad they are they always appear more credible and capable than Labour. And BTW I was pointing out what Labour politicians have said (Scum comments and baseball bat?)
Can you imagine in your wildest dream any Tory minister saying anything like that. Rishi Sunak or Grant Chaps calling somebody scum... It wouldn't happen.. Result is Labour's own doing, not mine. They apoear and sound class less... It does not win votes.

 

[flecc]

Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet and Uyghurs might not see it your way??

Because they are being very silly.

Hong Kong, Taiwan and Tibet are parts of China and have been for countless centuries, apart from an expired 99 lease on Hong Kong. Resisting the democratically elected government in such a country is stupid, especially when the great majority are happier with today's China than ever before in its long history.

When the lease expired we offered the 3 million in Hong Kong the chance to come to the UK but they didn't take up the offer, happy to stay put. And for all the more mature there that is still the case, the civil rebellion is almost entirely of the young. If they want to live in western style, they can still come here, but they prefer to be cussed. I've got no sympathy for idiots like that.

When Mao Zedong beat Chiang Kai-shek in their civil war, he won and Chiang and followers fled to the offshot island of Taiwan, which as even the Americans say is wholly a part of China. With the USA getting ever more aggressive, China is no longer prepared to put up with any pro American elements on their territory so they are insisting quite rightly on governing the whole of China as one country, and that includes Hong Kong and Taiwan.

The Tibetans are not all unhappy with China resuming closer governance, far from it, since they've benefitted so greatly with new infrastructure which they are increasingly using. And as for human rights, there's been a huge reduction in the practice of taking boys age 7 from their families and forcibly brainwashing them into becoming monks, regardless of their wishes, an evil if ever there was one.

As for the Uyghurs, they were conquered a very long time ago and have had centuries to get used to being in China. But being Muslims there are elements who recently have wanted to rebel against China to cause a local civil war in the north. They have two sensible options, toe the line and practice their religion peacefully while co-operating with the state in all other respects as they've been doing for most of the last 100+ years. Or emigrate to an Islamic country which China is perfectly happy to allow since they are not a closed state.
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[Zlatan]

Because they are being very silly.

Hong Kong, Taiwan and Tibet are parts of China and have been for countless centuries, apart from an expired 99 lease on Hong Kong. Resisting the democratically elected government in such a country is stupid, especially when the great majority are happier with today's China than ever before in its long history.

When the lease expired we offered the 3 million in Hong Kong the chance to come to the UK but they didn't take up the offer, happy to stay put. And for all the more mature there that is still the case, the civil rebellion is almost entirely of the young. If they want to live in western style, they can still come here, but they prefer to be cussed. I've got no sympathy for idiots like that.

When Mao Zedong beat Chiang Kai-shek in their civil war, he won and Chiang and followers fled to the offshot island of Taiwan, which as even the Americans say is wholly a part of China. With the USA getting ever more aggressive, China is no longer prepared to put up with any pro American elements on their territory so they are insisting quite rightly on governing the whole of China as one country, and that includes Hong Kong and Taiwan.

The Tibetans are not all unhappy with China resuming closer governance, far from it, since they've benefitted so greatly with new infrastructure which they are increasingly using. And as for human rights, there's been a huge reduction in the practice of taking boys age 7 from their families and forcibly brainwashing them into becoming monks, regardless of their wishes, an evil is ever there was one.

As for the Uyghurs, they werre conquered a very long time ago and have had centuries to get used to being in China. But being Muslims there are elements who recently have wanted to rebel against China to cause a local civil war in the north. They have two sensible options, toe the line and practice their religion peacefully while co-operating with the state in all other respects as they've been doing for most of the last 100+ years. Or emigrate to an Islamic country which China is perfectly happy to allow since they are not a closed state.
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Well you, ve convinced me Flecc just need to get Uyghurs, Tibetans, Taiwanese, Chinese Muslims, and whole of Hong Kong to see it your way.

 

[Woosh]

Well you, ve convinced me Flecc just need to get Uyghurs, Tibetans, Taiwanese, Chinese Muslims, and whole of Hong Kong to see it your way.

the majority already have done in practice what flecc explained. Our media pick up rightly the various newsworthy protestations but they also add an American inspired anti-China campaign spin to the basic events.
Our interest is to work with all countries and tolerate some differences.

 

[flecc]

Well you, ve convinced me Flecc just need to get Uyghurs, Tibetans, Taiwanese, Chinese Muslims, and whole of Hong Kong to see it your way.

Why? They have a right to be stupid and suffer the consequences.

And as I've just posted they are NOT all so opposed to China as you seem to think. The Monks in Tibet and the students in Hong Kong are very far from being representative of their populations.

As for Taiwan, they will never fight China. At some future opportune time when China enters Taiwan, you'll see a re-enactment of the Taliban strolling peacefully into Kabul.

You really must stop taking notice of the Western media and governmental propaganda. The truth is very different from what they portray. Remember them telling us all the terrible things the Taliban were going to do? They haven't done them, instead they're inviting all the western airlines back into Kabul airport and allowing free passage out of the country by air or over their land borders, plus negotiating for full co-operation with the west in diplomacy and trade.
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[oldgroaner]

You misunderstand me completely OG. Not sure what invidious means, but I, ll guess.
Yes, you are right, our Tory government are in many ways a disgrace but the only reason they are in power and will stay in power is because no matter how bad they are they always appear more credible and capable than Labour. And BTW I was pointing out what Labour politicians have said (Scum comments and baseball bat?)
Can you imagine in your wildest dream any Tory minister saying anything like that. Rishi Sunak or Grant Chaps calling somebody scum... It wouldn't happen.. Result is Labour's own doing, not mine. They apoear and sound class less... It does not win votes.

But racist comments are OK from the Conservatives and derogatory remarks just fine?
And the fact they are lying incompetent thieves makes them electable?
Then that means that people who vote for them, are stupid, and vote for the rule of crime
So be it,

 

[Woosh]

Yes, you are right, our Tory government are in many ways a disgrace but the only reason they are in power and will stay in power is because no matter how bad they are they always appear more credible and capable than Labour.

One of the points Kier made in his speech is he came to politics relatively late because he was pursuing a career and was not a professional politician.
That sounds right and credible to me.
Professional politicians can and will argue for any cause, shout any slogan and happily lie on TV. Kier has never been that.
Labour lost so big with Corbyn because he is a professional politician. Winning power is less important than speaking for and to his supporters.
JC talks to the converted first and foremost. The corollary of that is any clown will beat him easily at general elections.
There lies the crutch of the problem. Winning power implies convincing many silent voters who did not agree with you entirely to vote for you nevertheless.

 

[Zlatan]

Covid: UK expats struggle with Australia lockdowns

People who left the UK to settle in Australia tell what life has been like during six lockdowns.

www.bbc.com

Gives aclbit of perspective on other way of dealing with Covid... Australia just entering its 6th lockdown with Morriston suggesting they need 80% vaccinated before lockdowns can stop.???

OG
I said no such thing, I said there is a difference on how the culprits of bad behaviour are perceived. Yes, Boris makes some howlers along lines of those uttered by Prince Philip.. He doesn't threaten people with baseball bat's or call people scum.
There seems a certain class less manner amongst many Labour MPs..
I don't condone any of the underhand, scheming, money grabbing antics as such Al Hancock with contracts but even with him there is a lack of threat, of anger, of crusading rightuoseness we see in Corbyn, Nandy and Rayner which they seem to think excuses comments such as they use. Yes, perhaps you agree with them, perhaps most do but expressing it as they do simply puts them in class of unelectable to vast majority.
You can get on your high horse as much as you want, it's the act of being up there and hurling abuse down exemplifies why Labour aren't and never will be in power.
Can you imagine Sunak, Chaps, Raab or even Boris being interviewed whilst smoking away calling folk scum and the Party not criticising them for doing so. Utterly classless.

This lady was a labour front bencher. Then we wonder why Labour are in disarray.
And, it isn't just the fact she, s said it, its the party that has allowed a person who could say such things rise to prominence. It tarnishes the lot of them as do Rayner and Nandy.

 

[Zlatan]

One of the points Kier made in his speech is he came to politics relatively late because he was pursuing a career and was not a professional politician.
That sounds right and credible to me.
Professional politicians can and will argue for any cause, shout any slogan and happily lie on TV. Kier has never been that.
Labour lost so big with Corbyn because he is a professional politician. Winning power is less important than speaking for and to his supporters.
JC talks to the converted first and foremost. The corollary of that is any clown will beat him easily at general elections.
There lies the crutch of the problem. Winning power implies convincing many silent voters who did not agree with you entirely to vote for you nevertheless.

And shutting the idiots up, which he doesn't.

 

[Zlatan]

How bad is China’s energy crisis?

Country is implementing power rationing as supplies dwindle due to price raise of imported coal

www.theguardian.com

Seems UK not alone with problems. Must be Brexit.

 

[Zlatan]

Mandatory speed limiters on EU cars from July 2024 | AutoTrader

All new vehicles sold in Europe – including Northern Ireland but not Great Britain – will be fitted with a mandatory speed limiter from 2024 to keep cars within the speed limits and boost road safety.

www.autotrader.co.uk

Didn't realise we, d agreed on this...
What do folk reckon... Good or bad..

But

Haptic and audio visual speed warning system.... Already got one.. Wife.