Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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I don't really care what happens to my carcass when I have finished using it. It's only a means of transporting my consciousness around. When that's gone the remainder is biodegradable waste.
Ditto.

But because I think the concept of a funeral is ridiculous I've pre-arranged disposal of my carcase.
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tillson

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What point was that?
Do you actually believe anything she says?
If so based on what past experience of her actual performance in any role?
Do tell.
Has she actually for instance reduced non EU immigration even though that is within her powers?
Why should this woman change her ways and actually do what she promises?
OG, do you know how a deal is made? Have you ever negotiated over anything? Your attitude seems to suggest not.

You are criticising the government for not setting out exactly what they are prepared to pay. If they went in at the start of negotiations with a list of compromises that they are prepared to concede, guess what? Negotiation has to have an element of bluff about it. Both sides will deploy these tactics. May delivered an uncompromising list of demands yesterday and I expect The EU to respond robustly. I don't expect that she will get everything she wants from the EU, nor does she.

Thank god you aren't, but if you were a negotiator, I would expect to see you walk up to the negotiating table, drop you trousers, then bend over the table whilst saying, form an orderly queue to shaft me. You can't just wilt like an old lettuce leaf.

I know you talk down the UK at every opportunity and are in a downward spiral, but the UK is the second largest economy within the EU. That fact isn't going to buy us everything on Mrs May's shopping list, but it is currency. There is room for manoeuvre.

I reckon that if she can negotiate and win over the free movement of people and get easements on the 'uman rights act (a massive source of frustration for her whilst at the HO when trying to deport killers and terrorists) she might just save her ass. There is unrest over free movement amoungst the major EU countries. It's not popular and the leaders know it. A deal on this could be attractive to both sides.

Toughen up man. Don't allow yourself to be defeated by the slightest crosswind. There is a strong headwind of negotiation coming and if you aren't up to it butt out, but don't undermine you country's negotiating position.
 

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OG, do you know how a deal is made? Have you ever negotiated over anything? Your attitude seems to suggest not.

You are criticising the government for not setting out exactly what they are prepared to pay. If they went in at the start of negotiations with a list of compromises that they are prepared to concede, guess what? Negotiation has to have an element of bluff about it. Both sides will deploy these tactics. May delivered an uncompromising list of demands yesterday and I expect The EU to respond robustly. I don't expect that she will get everything she wants from the EU, nor does she.

Thank god you aren't, but if you were a negotiator, I would expect to see you walk up to the negotiating table, drop you trousers, then bend over the table whilst saying, form an orderly queue to shaft me. You can't just wilt like an old lettuce leaf.

I know you talk down the UK at every opportunity and are in a downward spiral, but the UK is the second largest economy within the EU. That fact isn't going to buy us everything on Mrs May's shopping list, but it is currency. There is room for manoeuvre.

I reckon that if she can negotiate and win over the free movement of people and get easements on the 'uman rights act (a massive source of frustration for her whilst at the HO when trying to deport killers and terrorists) she might just save her ass. There is unrest over free movement amoungst the major EU countries. It's not popular and the leaders know it. A deal on this could be attractive to both sides.

Toughen up man. Don't allow yourself to be defeated by the slightest crosswind. There is a strong headwind of negotiation coming and if you aren't up to it butt out, but don't undermine you country's negotiating position.
Toughen up man? where did you dredge that one up from?
Perhaps the Idiots Guide to Macho Brexit sayings?
Very comical!

The UK is only well placed regarding the size of it's economy BECAUSE IT IN THE EU.

It also is in a spiral of every increasing debt have we passed the £1.7 TRILLION mark yet?
What a brilliant time to head the country into the unknown with a women who has a track record of saying one thing and doing the absolute opposite.

And if you think going into a negotiation by saying the things this idiotic woman has done, is a great strategy, then you are in no position to lecture me on negotiating skills, as you clearly lack them entirely.

You are like the woman you seem to idolise all "Mouth and Trousers" :cool:
You are having us on , aren't you?
As Mc Enroe used to say
"You cannot be serious"
as for "Negotiating Skills" for the last 25 years of my employment a very large part of it was as a "Fan Cleaner" for an American Multi National Company visiting and resolving Customer Complaints, so I regard your comments on that particular subject as little more than idiotic.
 
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I don't really care what happens to my carcass when I have finished using it. It's only a means of transporting my consciousness around. When that's gone the remainder is biodegradable waste.
A gardener would have to decide whether to compost or bonemeal.
 
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oldgroaner

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Just finished watching Mrs May delivering her speech at Davos WEF17.
Sounds good to me. Could have been delivered by Cameron though.
Meanwhile, this titbit of information shows why the UK and the EU need to change:

Chinese living in extreme poverty
1981: 8 in 10
2010: 1 in 10

Globalization has benefited China.
Is China the model for brexit UK?
Just a few differences between us and them
  1. Overseas investment built their economy
  2. investment here? from where, by whom? and since we are told we have 100% employment already who will do the work?
  3. Any investment made by people here tends to be in China.
The fact that they have a Communist state doesn't seem to have held them back, are you advocating that?
 
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Just a few differences between us and them
  1. Overseas investment built their economy
  2. investment here? from where, by whom? and since we are told we have 100% employment already who will do the work?
  3. Any investment made by people here tends to be in China.
The fact that they have a Communist state doesn't seem to have held them back, are you advocating that?

Why, where are the workers going?

Are you imagining things again? Things like we are going to repatriate all foreign workers?
 

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Just a few differences between us and them
  1. Overseas investment built their economy
  2. investment here? from where, by whom? and since we are told we have 100% employment already who will do the work?
  3. Any investment made by people here tends to be in China.
The fact that they have a Communist state doesn't seem to have held them back, are you advocating that?
I invite opinions because we almost reach an impass with regard to our relationship with the EU before the referendum.

I think it is hard for us to stay at the top.
My early career was in electronic manufacturing, at a time when we still hand soldered transistors and other discreet components. My workshop in Southend employed then about 20 local staff.
There was this huge hope that we'll be dominating the industry for we were in front of the curve. We exported to 25 European and Middle East countries. Later on, I took part in tests and training confs when the 32-bit RISC chip was invented in Cambridge. Again, we still thought we could dominate the industry. It seems we can't think of making this kind of stuff anymore, it has to be made in Shenzhen now.
 
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Why, where are the workers going?

Are you imagining things again? Things like we are going to repatriate all foreign workers?
Do try and read first before commenting, the inference was that we don't have the spare capacity among our own people and those already here

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I invite opinions because we almost reach an impass with regard to our relationship with the EU before the referendum.

I think it is hard for us to stay at the top.
My early career was in electronic manufacturing, at a time when we still hand soldered transistors and other discreet components. My workshop in Southend employed then about 20 local staff.
There was this huge hope that we'll be dominating the industry for we were in front of the curve. We exported to 25 European and Middle East countries. Later on, I took part in tests and training confs when the 32-bit RISC chip was invented in Cambridge. Again, we still thought we could dominate the industry. It seems we can't think of making this kind of stuff anymore, it has to be made in Shenzhen now.
...... But the 32bit RISC chip did go on and dominate the industry, it is the processor used in the vast majority of Mobilephones, tablets and kodi boxes worldwide. ARM Holdings , recently sold , to the japenese (I think), holds the intellectual property on these .
 
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We don't own it any more.
R& D jobs are still created here, manufacturing jobs that build the GDP have gone East. Who is going to build our GDP in the future?
 
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We don't own it any more.
R& D jobs are still created here, manufacturing jobs that build the GDP have gone East. Who is going to build our GDP in the future?
No-one at present. Our cost base is too high to compete in almost all areas of manufacturing, and our low productivity just makes matters worse.

There is a high cost base alternative with good productivity, and that's selling on sheer quality. Switzerland and Germany are the masters of that method but it will be a very hard mass production area to break into from scratch, though we do have the BMW run premium price Mini production. They also own and run Rolls Royce cars of course, but that's hardly mass production.
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We can't go low, we can't go high.
So we huff and we puff and we threaten to punch our neighbours in the face.
Well done Bozo and Hammond. You've summed up our national response.
 
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Trex was a little antagonistic, been told off by Hatti. Consequently, he's closed his account.
The Woosh account is usually used by tony@wooshbikes.co.uk. Hatti and Andy@woosbikes.co.uk also post now and then.
Tony looks after the Woosh website.

(This post is made by Tony)
 
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Woosh is Woosh! :rolleyes:
 
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We can't go low, we can't go high.
So we huff and we puff and we threaten to punch our neighbours in the face.
Well done Bozo and Hammond. You've summed up our national response.
I do hear that a new film about Brexit is on the stocks.
It's name?
"The Mouse that ROARED"

What can you expect from a nation where when there is a Fog in the Channel the papers respond with the headline.

FOG IN THE CHANNEL
CONTINENT CUT OFF
EU IMPLODES IN PANIC, EURO CRASHES.

Happy days:)
 
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