Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

All remainers look same....

And all Brexiters sound the same:

"immigration, get back sovereignty, immigration, make own laws, immigration, make Britain great again, immigration, not take orders from Brussels, immigration, tell Juncker where to go, immigration, control borders, immigration.

er, and we're not racists"
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[Zlatan]

Yahya Jammeh is the ultimate remainer..got his ideas off here ????
"Why should I take notice of vote..it was only advisory"

Good post Flecc,reasonable summation...

 

[oldgroaner]

Yahya Jammeh is the ultimate remainer..got his ideas off here ????
"Why should I take notice of vote..it was only advisory"

Good post Flecc,reasonable summation...

Remarkable! you got someone's name right!
But Trump would have been a better choice as he got LESS votes than Hilary Clinton.
Of course in America they have different ways of doing things, don't they?
Yet somehow no one seems to want to rant on about how undemocratic winning with less votes is.
And of course Farage made that statement that had remain won by 52% to 48% that would mean it was "Unfinished Business, only a 2:1 vote to remain would finish it for good"
Let face it it's all great fun, but amounts to a mugging of the Public to favour the rich at their expense, regardless of the damage it does.
Unfinished Business.

 

[Zlatan]

Remarkable! you got someone's name right!
But Trump would have been a better choice as he got LESS votes than Hilary Clinton.
Of course in America they have different ways of doing things, don't they?
Yet somehow no one seems to want to rant on about how undemocratic winning with less votes is.
And of course Farage made that statement that had remain won by 52% to 48% that would mean it was "Unfinished Business, only a 2:1 vote to remain would finish it for good"
Let face it it's all great fun, but amounts to a mugging of the Public to favour the rich at their expense, regardless of the damage it does.

I agree American democracy is a mystery..but Trump ,as inappropriate as he appears, is by no means the worst material for an American president they,ve had...
They,ve had actors,peanut farmers and some with more than close connections to organised crime.Trump is probably one of their best qualified...lets face it anyone after Bush 2 is an improvement. And he cant do worse than Cameron did for us...when going gets tough...Cameron fecked off...with his buddy Osborne..

 

[oldgroaner]

I agree American democracy is a mystery..but Trump ,as inappropriate as he appears, is by no means the worst material for an American president they,ve had...
They,ve had actors,peanut farmers and some with more than close connections to organised crime.Trump is probably one of their best qualified...lets face it anyone after Bush 2 is an improvement. And he cant do worse than Cameron did for us...when going gets tough...Cameron fecked off...with his buddy Osborne..

You could well be right, and for all our sakes on this at least, I hope you are!

 

[Kudoscycles]

The UK press have taken May's speech as though the EU are going to give her everything she is demanding and they are going to go for her associate member of the customs union.
It's that assurance that makes the speech attractive to most,it gives something for all remainers and leavers,but take out the customs union deal and it's really as hard Brexit as its possible....as she said what's all the fuss about we are leaving and if our economy tanks that's ok,that's what hard Brexiters want.
Brexiters are not worried if they can't afford the rent or mortgage,they are not worried if good food is now unaffordable,if they have to miss out on the family holiday,if the treat of a meal out once per week is not possible,petrol in the car is horrendously expensive,the government needs to cut tax credits,cut benefits,cut the NHS because corporate tax take has plunged....Brexiters are not worried because they won the vote and accept all this to control immigration,they won and they are happy to pay for it.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Beeb
"
Two of the largest investment banks in the City of London have confirmed that some staff will definitely have to move abroad when the UK leaves the EU.

HSBC's chief executive, Stuart Gulliver, told Bloomberg he was preparing to move 1,000 staff from London to Paris.

And Axel Weber, boss of Swiss bank UBS, told the BBC "about 1,000" of its 5,000 London jobs could be hit by Brexit."

So beginneth the lesson.

 

[Zlatan]

One aspect about Trump I would be very worried about if I were Amereican is his relationship with Gun lobby.(NRA?).they donated 30 million dollars towards his campaign, they,ll be expecting a return on investment. Wont affect us but gun crime could see another rise in States ?

 

[oldgroaner]

One aspect about Trump I would be very worried about if I were Amereican is his relationship with Gun lobby.(NRA?).they donated 30 million dollars towards his campaign, they,ll be expecting a return on investment. Wont affect us but gun crime could see another rise in States ?

Sadly I think this quote from Groucho Marx is bang on for this man
He may look like an idiot
And talk like an idiot
But don't let that fool you
He really is an idiot

 

[tillson]

The UK press have taken May's speech as though the EU are going to give her everything she is demanding and they are going to go for her associate member of the customs union.
It's that assurance that makes the speech attractive to most,it gives something for all remainers and leavers,but take out the customs union deal and it's really as hard Brexit as its possible....as she said what's all the fuss about we are leaving and if our economy tanks that's ok,that's what hard Brexiters want.
Brexiters are not worried if they can't afford the rent or mortgage,they are not worried if good food is now unaffordable,if they have to miss out on the family holiday,if the treat of a meal out once per week is not possible,petrol in the car is horrendously expensive,the government needs to cut tax credits,cut benefits,cut the NHS because corporate tax take has plunged....Brexiters are not worried because they won the vote and accept all this to control immigration,they won and they are happy to pay for it.
KudosDave

Take your finger off the fast forward button. Press pause, take a deep breath and calm down. Have a walk down to the Co-Op and buy a few coffin nails if it makes you feel better.

Honestly, I bet you are one of those people who book their space in the cemetery at the first sign of a sniffle

 

[Kudoscycles]

I was speaking to some friends who have retired to Spain,they don't enjoy the best of health,but at the moment their healthcare is taken care of by the Spanish and paid by the UK.
The U.K. Government won't guarantee that will continue post Brexit,if not they will probably have to return to the UK,but the Spanish property crash versus UK property price rises makes that impossible.
There are plus 100,000 Brit pensioners in Spain in similar situation.
It just seems stupid that we could have to accept these aged people back into the UK,of an age that will place additional strain on the NHS and are intending to throw out young EU workers,who put little strain on the NHS and often are the very people who are needed to look after our aged population.
Madness
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Take your finger off the fast forward button. Press pause, take a deep breath and calm down. Have a walk down to the Co-Op and buy a few coffin nails if it makes you feel better.

Honestly, I bet you are one of those people who book their space in the cemetery at the first sign of a sniffle

Sorry I don't understand the context,have you got your responses and quotes mixed up....
KudosDave

 

[tillson]

I was speaking to some friends who have retired to Spain,they don't enjoy the best of health,but at the moment their healthcare is taken care of by the Spanish and paid by the UK.
The U.K. Government won't guarantee that will continue post Brexit,if not they will probably have to return to the UK,but the Spanish property crash versus UK property price rises makes that impossible.
There are plus 100,000 Brit pensioners in Spain in similar situation.
It just seems stupid that we could have to accept these aged people back into the UK,of an age that will place additional strain on the NHS and are intending to throw out young EU workers,who put little strain on the NHS and often are the very people who are needed to look after our aged population.
Madness
KudosDave

Who said anything about throwing people out? Are you fabricating a situation which doesn't exist?

 

[Kudoscycles]

Take your finger off the fast forward button. Press pause, take a deep breath and calm down. Have a walk down to the Co-Op and buy a few coffin nails if it makes you feel better.

Honestly, I bet you are one of those people who book their space in the cemetery at the first sign of a sniffle

Sorry,I don't understand a word of what you are saying,what's all this about Co-ops and coffin nails and cemetery,I was talking about Theresa May assuring us that she can negotiate her invention of the 'associate customs union'....it looks highly unlikely the EU are going to let her 'cherry pick' the customs union but that was the aspect of her speech that appealed to the remainers and many of the leavers.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Who said anything about throwing people out? Are you fabricating a situation which doesn't exist?

I thought May is going through all this to reduce net migration,the home office is already causing a lot of grief to people who have lived in the UK for some time....it does seem there is a campaign to move people on even if they are longstanding EU citizens living in the UK.
KudosDave

 

[tillson]

I thought May is going through all this to reduce net migration,the home office is already causing a lot of grief to people who have lived in the UK for some time....it does seem there is a campaign to move people on even if they are longstanding EU citizens living in the UK.
KudosDave

I think you may be mistaken. BREXIT has never been about throwing people out of the UK. Many of them make a positive contribution to our society. Throwing them out would be a bad move.

BREXIT is more concerned with controlling access to the UK from people who are not yet resident here.

 

[flecc]

From the Beeb
"
Two of the largest investment banks in the City of London have confirmed that some staff will definitely have to move abroad when the UK leaves the EU.

HSBC's chief executive, Stuart Gulliver, told Bloomberg he was preparing to move 1,000 staff from London to Paris.

And Axel Weber, boss of Swiss bank UBS, told the BBC "about 1,000" of its 5,000 London jobs could be hit by Brexit."

So beginneth the lesson.

LLoyds of London are also going to open an EU office for their insurance business.

But what I'm wondering about most is how Theresa May is going to reconcile her willingness to hard brexit with her promise to Nissan about them being unaffected by Brexit.

Something doesn't add up.
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[Woosh]

She may secretly be wishing for the negotiation to unravel, we will have no transitional deal at all at the end of A50 process then brexit will be proven prohibitively expensive.
Don't forget that the UK have two fundamental problems that won't be miraculously solved by inflation alone: high trade deficit and high structural budget deficit while public services can't take any further cut.
I think the city has worked out that she has no plan still. The Pound continues to weaken today.

 

[Danidl]

There won't be a less ambitious plan ready, and would the EU enter yet another negotiation? I don't think so.

But I stand by my post, it was a dictatorial statement of what is to be negotiated for, no prior involvement of our democratic parliament or even the government's own MPs and party.
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What I was saying is that she should present this plan to parliament before, not after , commencing the triggering of the article 50 . If and only if parliament agree with this plan should she proceed to commence the withdrawal process. Should she be succeed in getting a majority in the house, she would have achieved a democratic mandate for the process. The clock does not start until the day after the EU is formally notified.
If this plan proved unsuccessful , is not passed then she could propose another etc until she had a plan which achieved success.

 

[Danidl]

She may secretly be wishing for the negotiation to unravel, we will have no transitional deal at all at the end of A50 process then brexit will be proven prohibitively expensive.
Don't forget that the UK have two fundamental problems that won't be miraculously solved by inflation alone: high trade deficit and high structural budget deficit while public services can't take any further cut.
I think the city has worked out that she has no plan still. The Pound continues to weaken today.

....... Once the formal notification is received by EU , it is too late to back out, so the possibility of then conceding that it is too expensive or inconvenient or unravels is irrelevant and the process will terminate in a hard brexit.