Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Then you are an idiot! what do you call a policy of pushing the elderly out of hospital into Nursing homes other than a cull?

And explain what you mean by this?
I suppose all those countries along with every country that has suffered have been "culling". You really are an offensive person.

Did your twisted mind make that up as usual all on your own?
The reference was made to the National Front recruiting poster and their "Put our old folk before aliens"
And by association not applicable to other countries in the mind of any sane and normal person, yet you failed to grasp the fact.
But then you usually do, and resort yet again to a personal attack
If you can't understand, don't post , twisting the meaning to your own weird view of reality
And worst of all describe me in a fashion that fits you better

You accused NHS (this lot??) etc of culling people. Fact.
UK stands 9th in Europe on death rate. Fact.
If we are culling how do you describe the others.?
You are an offensive obsessed individual. Fact 3.

If you followed your own advice on posting, ie only doing so when you understand your posting rate would be about 5% of its current rate.

Saying the organisations involved in the fight against Covid are culling people is offensive. Pointing it out is not. I have not insulted anyone. You have insulted every single person slightly involved in fight against pandemic.

 

[oldgroaner]

And what prey may I ask is problem with that??
£45k is a normal sort of wage, well paid but not wealthy... And it's what they should be doing.. You apply, with your unlimited knowledge and experience of subject you, d be perfect. Your Guardian dependency might go against you.

Perhaps that they already have a huge number on the payroll of this failure, now want someone to tell them where they are going wrong as they have no idea?
Your bigotry is hanging out again ,what has this to do with the Guardian? it wasn't a Guardian article
perhaps you could try for the first time in your life to read the link and see the origin?
But then closed minds don't bother do they, or you for that matter?

 

[oldgroaner]

You accused NHS (this lot??) etc of culling people. Fact.

Actually if you hadn't been asleep that was a government policy
A series of “shockingly irresponsible” Government decisions put tens of thousands of older people’s lives at risk and led to multiple violations of care home residents’ human rights, said Amnesty International today, following an investigation by the human rights group’s Crisis Response team. Amnesty’s 50-page report - As If Expendable: The UK Government’s Failure to Protect Older People in Care Homes during the COVID-19 Pandemic - shows that care home residents were effectively abandoned in the early stages of the pandemic.

You may apologise at your leisure
Alternatively this is good advice
"If you followed your own advice on posting, ie only doing so when you understand your posting rate would be about 0% of its current rate. "

Sorry but you really are funny at times

 

[oyster]

The Government is writing it's own version of reality for the History Books

The government says the volume of freight exports from Great Britain to the European Union has returned to normal, in spite of the new post-Brexit barriers to trade with the EU, and restrictions related to the pandemic. "The latest available data shows that overall freight volumes are back to their normal levels," a government spokesman said.

They even got Reuters to use that as a headline

British meat, seafood exports to EU recovered in February: government official

Really?

In that Reuters link:

Farming and environment minister George Eustice said the increased cost of trading with the EU does mean small consignments of goods, usually sent in mixed loads by small-to-medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), might no longer be viable.

So that wipes out everyone who doesn't trade by the container-load.

 

[Zlatan]

You said this. It is offensive to the extreme.

The Guardian comment has nothing to do with your silly national front article.
You have bought into Guardian narrative. Your attitude is one of utter indoctrination.
You continually insult yet claim all the time others are insulting you. Pointing out a fact you made an offensive comment was not an insult.
You are never funny.

 

[Zlatan]

For AstraZeneca, vaccine success has proved more trouble than it's worth

The Government trumpets the AstraZeneca vaccine as a Brexit Britain success story, but this has been unhelpful to the company in Europe

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

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You said this. It is offensive to the extreme. Just like you.

The Guardian comment has nothing to do with your silly national front article.
You have bought into Guardian narrative. Your attitude is one of utter indoctrination.
You continually insult yet claim all the time others are insulting you. Pointing out a fact you made an offensive comment was not an insult.

Sorry Zlatan I simply told the truth, look it up sometime, you are the one being offensive by whitewashing the government policy.
Why are you doing that? did you approve of it?
If you did then stop making offensive personal comments
There is no excuse on earth for what the Government did, and the opinion of truth twisters won't change that
You talk about indoctrination then come out with the propaganda lines you have been fed all your life and soaked up like a sponge.

 

[Zlatan]

COVID-19: Emmanuel Macron says the EU failed to 'shoot for the stars' over vaccine rollouts

Mr Macron admitted mistakes in the EU's vaccination strategy as the bloc's leaders prepared to meet for a pandemic summit.

news.sky.com

Interesting comments from Macron.

 

[Zlatan]

Sorry Zlatan I simply told the truth, look it up sometime, you are the one being offensive by whitewashing the government policy.
Why are you doing that? did you approve of it?
If you did then stop making offensive personal comments
There is no excuse on earth for what the Government did, and the opinion of truth twisters won't change that
You talk about indoctrination then come out with the propaganda lines you have been fed all your life and soaked up like a sponge.

In context of this thread and specifically your posts, no it isn't that offensive. In real world it certainly is but you don't live in real world. You live in here.
And, your assumption it is the truth, simply demands an answer to my original question. If this lot culled people what did all the other countries do to go above us with death rate. (If you took trouble to research your offensiveness you, d know we are well down death rate list, and dropping lower.)
But, presumably, Belgium ran a culling policy too?
So what is it OG, all countries in top 10 on death rate ran genocide programmes.?

 

[oyster]

Amateurs. Rank amateurs. Real squandering is counted in billions. Ask at Number 10 and 11...

Liverpool council may have squandered up to £100m of public money

 

[Zlatan]

Amateurs. Rank amateurs. Real squandering is counted in billions. Ask at Number 10 and 11...

Liverpool council may have squandered up to £100m of public money

Len McCluskey Unite and plane trip to Liverpool's FC Final Madrid Spain - a Freedom of Information request to Liverpool City Council

1] Please disclose all trips of all Liverpool City Council staff including both Counsellors and the Regeneration staff that accompanied Mr. Len McCluskey, Unite General Secretary or his employees, agents and his solicitors, to any Liverpool football games or to the Liverpool final held in...

www.whatdotheyknow.com

Something going on in Liverpool though. Mayor was arrested on corruption charges.. Unite and McCluskey involved as well. And we wonder why Labour can't mount a challenge.

 

[oldgroaner]

In context of this thread and specifically your posts, no it isn't that offensive. In real world it certainly is but you don't live in real world. You live in here.
And, your assumption it is the truth, simply demands an answer to my original question. If this lot culled people what did all the other countries do to go above us with death rate. (If you took trouble to research your offensiveness you, d know we are well down death rate list, and dropping lower.)
But, presumably, Belgium ran a culling policy too?
So what is it OG, all countries in top 10 on death rate ran genocide programmes.?

Off you go again, indulging in whataboutery, but lets see now, what relevance is there to what is happening in other countries that can serve as an excuse for what happens here?
Frankly I have no idea what other countries do, and I suspect you haven't either.
You may not have noticed but my comments are specifically related to what happens here?
MY comments are nothing whatsoever to do with the policies adopted by other countries, excepting in your imagination. I have made no claims of any sort as to their performance, yet you continously try to draw me into joining in your pointless attempt to score points by comparison with others.
Are you unable to stay on the topic we are discussing?

 

[Zlatan]

Off you go again, indulging in whataboutery, but lets see now, what relevance is there to what is happening in other countries that can serve as an excuse for what happens here?
Frankly I have no idea what other countries do, and I suspect you haven't either.
You may not have noticed but my comments are specifically related to what happens here?
MY comments are nothing whatsoever to do with the policies adopted by other countries, excepting in your imagination. I have made no claims of any sort as to their performance, yet you continously try to draw me into joining in your pointless attempt to score points by comparison with others.
Are you unable to stay on the topic we are discussing?

So saying "this lot culled people" isn't offensive. OK OG. I agree it isn't. We are both talking bo!! ox now.

 

[Woosh]

UK stands 9th in Europe on death rate. Fact.

let's see: in front of us: Gibraltar (top of the league), San Marino, Czechia, Hungary, Belgium, Montenegro, Slovenia and Bosnia.
They are rather small or very small countries so local factors may play a big part like Gibraltar.
We are still in front of: Italy, USA, Portugal, Spain, France, Germany etc. all larger countries so the local factors are evened out.

 

[oldgroaner]

Jenrick is at it again
"Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick says it's "critical" for all countries that there is a "free flow" of medical products, adding that it will be "very damaging" if countries prevent vaccines from crossing international borders.

When we are actually doing that very thing, and here is the list

Medical Products banned from Export from the UK

 

[Suzan]

So saying "this lot culled people" isn't offensive. OK OG. I agree it isn't. We are both talking bo!! ox now.

I don't know why you bother.
Let those that inhibit this thread wallow in their anti right prejudice and left wing fantasies.
And to defend OG, he isn't the most offensive in here. That accolade belongs to Agnew.
OG seems to think either calling people idiots or that, I assume, the Govt are culling people isn't offensive. I think that represents a degree of mental instability on his part.
Just do what the majority of sensible posters do. Retire from this thread. It's pointless.

After all, the rhetoric in here is futile. This government is going nowhere for a long long time.
Attitudes in here are typical of those that have kept Labour out of contention. Shame but there you go.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I don't know why you bother.
Let those that inhibit this thread wallow in their anti right prejudice and left wing fantasies.
And to defend OG, he isn't the most offensive in here. That accolade belongs to Agnew.
OG seems to think either calling people idiots or that, I assume, the Govt are culling people isn't offensive. I think that represents a degree of mental instability on his part.
Just do what the majority of sensible posters do. Retire from this thread. It's pointless.

After all, the rhetoric in here is futile. This government is going nowhere for a long long time.
Attitudes in here are typical of those that have kept Labour out of contention. Shame but there you go.

As a frontline clinician in the nhs I find your attempt to gloss over excess deaths in the uk and this government complicity in it deeply offensive. And psychopathic. I hope you find this message as offensive as I mean it to be.

 

[Suzan]

let's see: in front of us: Gibraltar (top of the league), San Marino, Czechia, Hungary, Belgium, Montenegro, Slovenia and Bosnia.
They are rather small or very small countries so local factors may play a big part like Gibraltar.
We are still in front of: Italy, USA, Portugal, Spain, France, Germany etc. all larger countries so the local factors are evened out.

Why have a go at Zlatan? His comment is true and the groups mentioned are in fact irrelevant to the original premise that UK is culling people.
Perhaps you should question that statement first?
Nobody in any countries above or below UK have culled anyone. Except perhaps
in perverse left wing minds?

 

[Danidl]

Jenrick is at it again
"Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick says it's "critical" for all countries that there is a "free flow" of medical products, adding that it will be "very damaging" if countries prevent vaccines from crossing international borders.

When we are actually doing that very thing, and here is the list

Medical Products banned from Export from the UK

With all respect, I expect that that headline is incorrect. I notice a number of preparations on that list, with which I am familiar. I suspect they are subject to special licence restrictions, rather than downright bans.

 

[Zlatan]

With all respect, I expect that that headline is incorrect. I notice a number of preparations on that list, with which I am familiar. I suspect they are subject to special licence restrictions, rather than downright bans.

You can't let truth get in way of good propoganda Danidl.