Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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Thats bound to happen statistically.

Although the infected don't suffer as much, they still transmit infection at a certain rate which will result in a stable infection rate at some level or other, according to the number of others infecting.
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You are omitting two major factors ... Fatigue and invincibility
 
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oldgroaner

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The setbacks due to Brexit are rapidly moving from a disaster a week towards a disaster a day.

I was always certain that Brexit was a terrible and permanent mistake, but even I didn't anticipate quite the breadth and depth of its ill effects so soon.

I can now well envisage a repeat of the 1970s in the not too distant future, national bankruptcy, the IMF coming in to run our economy and rejoining the EU to return us to health, as we did back then half a century ago.
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Red tape you cry!
What red tape?
Look how easy it is now to send a pork chop to the EU


Absolute doddle :cool:
 
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flecc

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Unfortunately not.. the fatigue being tired of the constant being on guard, and the invincibility being what one feels after the jab.
I dont recognise those happening and I'm sure that's true of most. Sticking a mask on to enter a shop is the limit of on guard for most, the rest of the time just relaxed with others as usual.

And the invincibility is a constant, only other people get Covid-19.

These are why it's still with us.
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sjpt

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Thats bound to happen statistically.

Although the infected don't suffer as much, they still transmit infection at a certain rate which will result in a stable infection rate at some level or other, according to the number of others infecting.
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As you say, vaccination will never be perfect; our number of cases seems to have flattened but nowhere near 0. The number of deaths is still falling a fortnight after the levelling of the cases. This is an encouraging confirmation that the vaccines will limit seriousness of cases as well as reducing their number, as the trials have suggested. We need to wait a little on that though, I think the lag cases->deaths has been a bit more than a fortnight. (I see hospital admissions are also still dropping very significantly.)

I repeat my suggestion that the short term levelling of cases in mid-Feb indicated a natural steady state for lockdown without vaccine, and the current fairly steady state is from lockdown plus significant contribution from vaccine. (The evidence for that is there in the figures but very far from conclusive with so many different effects all being in play at once.)


 

oyster

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Wonder how long this will take to complete?

When there are ongoing issues, investigations should be run so as to get the worst failings fixed as quickly as possible.

Response of NHS 111 to the COVID-19 pandemic

We have launched a national investigation into NHS 111’s response to callers reporting potential symptoms of COVID-19 during the pandemic.

NHS 111 is the 24/7 telephone and online service for people seeking advice and information about urgent medical problems. The NHS 111 telephone service adapted to the COVID-19 pandemic by introducing a COVID-19 National Response Service (CNRS).

The CNRS is a branch of the NHS 111 telephone service designed to assess patients, following an algorithm, reporting symptoms of coronavirus. The algorithm determines the appropriate management for the patient.
A key component of the CNRS was the COVID-19 Clinical Assessment Service (CCAS). When required the CCAS offered a remote clinical review to the assessment of patients reporting COVID-19 symptoms following their use of NHS 111.

CCAS was primarily formed of GPs returning to practice, sessional GPs and GP partners/salaried GPs with equipment and training offered to support high quality clinical triage.

Some patients calling NHS 111 with symptoms of coronavirus may have reached the core NHS 111 telephone service instead of the CNRS. In these cases, the call handler for the core NHS 111 telephone service would assess the patient, following the core pathway algorithm.

The national investigation will consider both the CNRS and the core 111 service’s response to patients reporting COVID-19 symptoms.
https://www.hsib.org.uk/investigations-cases/response-nhs-111-covid-19-pandemic/
 

flecc

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Wonder how long this will take to complete?

When there are ongoing issues, investigations should be run so as to get the worst failings fixed as quickly as possible.

Response of NHS 111 to the COVID-19 pandemic

We have launched a national investigation into NHS 111’s response to callers reporting potential symptoms of COVID-19 during the pandemic.

NHS 111 is the 24/7 telephone and online service for people seeking advice and information about urgent medical problems. The NHS 111 telephone service adapted to the COVID-19 pandemic by introducing a COVID-19 National Response Service (CNRS).

The CNRS is a branch of the NHS 111 telephone service designed to assess patients, following an algorithm, reporting symptoms of coronavirus. The algorithm determines the appropriate management for the patient.
A key component of the CNRS was the COVID-19 Clinical Assessment Service (CCAS). When required the CCAS offered a remote clinical review to the assessment of patients reporting COVID-19 symptoms following their use of NHS 111.

CCAS was primarily formed of GPs returning to practice, sessional GPs and GP partners/salaried GPs with equipment and training offered to support high quality clinical triage.

Some patients calling NHS 111 with symptoms of coronavirus may have reached the core NHS 111 telephone service instead of the CNRS. In these cases, the call handler for the core NHS 111 telephone service would assess the patient, following the core pathway algorithm.

The national investigation will consider both the CNRS and the core 111 service’s response to patients reporting COVID-19 symptoms.
https://www.hsib.org.uk/investigations-cases/response-nhs-111-covid-19-pandemic/
They really do tie themselves into knots in their efforts to cope!
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oyster

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People denying the reality of disease has a long heritage. I happened across this example today. They don't deny the existence of a disease, but its seriousness. (Mind, they are pretty casual about influenza and malaria as well!)


“SPANISH FLUE,”
or “RAPID FLUE”

as it is called in some districts, is a mild combination of influenza and malaria.

While not serious if taken in hand at once, it is highly infectious, as evidenced by the rapid spread of the epidemic throughout the Continent and now Great Britain.

With the little Free Vaporiser

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will at once STOP the complaint and prevent spread of infection.
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THE COAL BY-PRODUCTS CO.,

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Telegrams: “Cobyproco, Westcent, London.”
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And what a lovely little wheeze - charge 3d. extra for the "Free Vaporiser"!!

I wonder how many government contracts they would have won? And how much excess they would charge?
 
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oldgroaner

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People denying the reality of disease has a long heritage. I happened across this example today. They don't deny the existence of a disease, but its seriousness. (Mind, they are pretty casual about influenza and malaria as well!)


“SPANISH FLUE,”
or “RAPID FLUE”

as it is called in some districts, is a mild combination of influenza and malaria.

While not serious if taken in hand at once, it is highly infectious, as evidenced by the rapid spread of the epidemic throughout the Continent and now Great Britain.

With the little Free Vaporiser

FUMO-TARACINE

will at once STOP the complaint and prevent spread of infection.
Send for our Special Display Bills and order
supply at once. Immense Demand. Rapid Sale,

RETAIL SELLING PRICES.
2-oz. 1/4½; 4-oz. 2/3; 16-oz. 6/3
(inclusive of free vaporiser)
2-oz. 1/1½ ; 4-oz. 2/-; 16-oz. 6/-
(without vaporiser)

THE COAL BY-PRODUCTS CO.,

112 High Holborn, London, W.C.1.
Telegrams: “Cobyproco, Westcent, London.”
Telephone: Holborn 983.
View attachment 41532

And what a lovely little wheeze - charge 3d. extra for the "Free Vaporiser"!!

I wonder how many government contracts they would have won? And how much excess they would charge?
The Firm I worked for was called "Ideal Boilers " back then and the MD had a framed copy of this on this wall with a hand written note underneath from his Brother.
" Here you are, the answer to those problems customers have with boiler's sooting up!" :cool:
 
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POLLY

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And you can only find something if its lost or hidden...
How do you hide 29,000, 000 vaccines?
Or
How do you lose 29,000,000 vaccines?
Then the obvious... Why??
What's going on..

By my quick estimate thats 290 tons of product... Even if bulk stored.. Ready in vials would be more...???
12 artic lorry loads hidden or lost?
Because it's bullshite
 
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