It makes no sense. I can’t believe it’s due to safety concerns based on the very small number of adverse effects that aren’t definitely linked to the vaccine. I’m sort of coming around to OG’s theory of dark forces at work.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I‘ve just read an article in The Lancet saying more or less the same. The article concerns vaccination in athletics. Fatigue lasting for 72 hours, but sometimes up to a week has been reported. The article also suggests that it may be appropriate to reduce training loads during this period. This is all very new, so the words, might, could be, and possibly, crop up a lot within the article. I certainly didn’t feel 100% yesterday. I did at the start, but a feeling of fatigue came on quite quickly.
The article also says that studies in the general population have shown heightened rates of vaccine efficacy, with an increased antibody titre, in people who undertook moderate intensity exercise before vaccination. I went for a run a couple of hours before being jabbed, so hopefully that did some good. However, a few individuals who have carried out separate studies aren’t convinced. I guess it can’t do any harm to exercise pre-vaccination though?
I wish that I’d read this article a week ago.
The complete opposite happened to me yesterday. I had my jab on Saturday morning and I went out on my e-bike yesterday afternoon for the first time since I had the injection.
I felt really good on the bike, better than I had done for ages. Rode one of my toughest circuits (many very steep hills) and flew up them kept the bike in e-mtb mode the entire ride. This is unusual for me I normally have to use turbo for the steepest hills.
Felt so good when I came home after the ride (it's a 20 mile round trip), I very nearly went out and did it again but then thought that would be pushing things.
Last night however I found it extremely difficult to get to sleep, my entire body felt as though it was bursting with energy as though I had downed 3 espressos one after the other, it was a really weird feeling.
This morning I feel slightly hung over even though I hardly ever drink, last alcohol I had must be over a year ago. Next time I get out on the bike probably tomorrow I think I will take it a lot easier.
Like you I don't know if this had anything to do with the vaccine but it does seem a bit of a coincidence.
Be my guesst.
However, I am not at all convinced about most claims of efficacy. Because, although we do care about the short-term, what we really want is long-term protection. Some of the work has focussed on antibody levels and am definitely not convinced they are a good measure.
Regarding the exercise issue, I am suspicious that the impact of a vaccine takes more resources than we might appreciate. The active thyroid hormone is often called T3. Exercise impacts levels of T3. Someone who takes only T3 will very often report needing more if they increase their exercise levels. T3 tests often show drops in T3 after exercise and during and after illness.
If your body is capable of making and releasing all the T3 you need, exercise might be seen to provide some advantage. But if your body can't, and you don't take enough to compensate, the impact of the vaccine on top of the exercise might drop your T3 levels and end up being deleterious.
That sort of question rarely gets asked, and even more rarely gets answered.
EU nations pi$$ing away precious time with the AZ vaccine roll out is beyond a joke. This was all initiated by the snide, oily French pigmy and was born out of Brexit spite.
Now the key question that has to be asked is whether the blood clotting is vaccine cause or coincidence? Would these clots have happened anyway?
The 37 reported cases are below the level you would expect in a population the size of those vaccinated anyway. What is more, there is no strong biological explanation why the vaccine would cause a blood clot. This is why the WHO and the UK say there is no evidence of a link. And the EMA has suggested the vaccine should continue.
Unsurprisingly, therefore, the decisions by individual nations to pause their rollouts is baffling experts. It has to be the snide, oily pigmy effect.
And this is not the first time countries in Europe have exercised caution about the AstraZeneca vaccine. Germany, France and others did not initially recommend use of the vaccine for the over-65s. That has now been reversed, as we knew it would be, but the oily pigmy impact is still being felt, it seems.
Now, we have supplies of the AstraZeneca vaccine going to waste within the EU. Yes the EU are now wasting the AZ vaccine they tried to block from going to other countries. They are literally throwing it away. It‘s almost certain that deadly consequences will now ensue. France, Germany and the other major European nations all have higher rates of infection than the UK, and face the prospect of things getting much worse before they get better.
The EU have made the mother of all **** ups with the vaccine program. Still no prospect of a jab for my friends and relatives in Italy & France. All because the word Oxford is associated with the vaccine. Pathetic.
Now the key question that has to be asked is whether the blood clotting is vaccine cause or coincidence? Would these clots have happened anyway?
The 37 reported cases are below the level you would expect in a population the size of those vaccinated anyway. What is more, there is no strong biological explanation why the vaccine would cause a blood clot. This is why the WHO and the UK say there is no evidence of a link. And the EMA has suggested the vaccine should continue.
Unsurprisingly, therefore, the decisions by individual nations to pause their rollouts is baffling experts. It has to be the snide, oily pigmy effect.
And this is not the first time countries in Europe have exercised caution about the AstraZeneca vaccine. Germany, France and others did not initially recommend use of the vaccine for the over-65s. That has now been reversed, as we knew it would be, but the oily pigmy impact is still being felt, it seems.
Now, we have supplies of the AstraZeneca vaccine going to waste within the EU. Yes the EU are now wasting the AZ vaccine they tried to block from going to other countries. They are literally throwing it away. It‘s almost certain that deadly consequences will now ensue. France, Germany and the other major European nations all have higher rates of infection than the UK, and face the prospect of things getting much worse before they get better.
The EU have made the mother of all **** ups with the vaccine program. Still no prospect of a jab for my friends and relatives in Italy & France. All because the word Oxford is associated with the vaccine. Pathetic.
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That makes sense to me, some of my happiest memories are of belting along on a suzuki a100 (minimalist two stroke from 70s) on a coastal road in africa in my 20s - often less is more
Is Europe's AstraZeneca jab decision-making flawed?
Some nations are suspending use of the vaccine, but move may do more harm than good by costing lives.
www.bbc.com
Really makes you wonder what's going on?
37 cases out of 17 million jabs with as many, if not more, cases in population at large with not a shred of evidencefor a link between clots and vaccine.???
Couldn't agree more. My best days on motorbike were without doubt exploring Pyrenes on a liitle 125 Enduro. Was heaven. Bike made you take your time, examine surroundings and not put yourself in danger doing it.
One of my most memorable rides was when the Vespa broke down and Pat and I went from Hull for a tour round the lake District with an overnight stay in Keswick. On a Honda C50, the early pushrod engined one When we reached Wrynose and Hard Knot pass Pat had to walk up, but to my surprise and some motorists parked on the hill, who cheered as I crawled past with the engine on the point of stalling, I got to the top in both cases, to be barraged with questions from the motorists parked there who could hardly believe their eyes!
The descent of both passes was to say the least as near as I ever got to a dangerous sport, as back then the roads were in a terrible state with loose stones, cracks and pot holes.
I think most of the time the wheels were hardly touching the ground
I Would dearly love to do that run again on my current scooter just for old times sake.
You are back at your half truths again.
Lets say the EMA today gives AZ a clean bill of health, well it allows stocks to be built up. Remember there is not enough in mainland Europe to allow mass vaccination at present.
Not a drop of EU AZ vaccine has yet been wasted,it is hopefully sitting in warehouses, and stocks building up.
The EMA Safety committee are meeting today, with a full decision to be published tomorrow. That is NOT an endorsement . It is prudent. They have just not said stop . Remember it was only 2 cases of Boeing Max which stopped individual airlines and then the regulatory authorities came in slower and more ponderously.
The EMA did not reverse their policy or make a U turn regarding the over 60s. What they said at the time, and I am very clear about this because it was put on the news bulletins, was that they could not recommend it for the older cohort AT THIS TIME , but that with additional information that might be revised.
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The EMA have never recommend stopping use of the AZ vaccine. The dreadful waste of time and stocks of vaccine by EU nations is inexcusable.
It’s equally important for everyone’s overall safety that poorer nations are vaccinated as well as the richest ones. AZ should now divert the entire EU order to these poorer countries. The EU can sue themselves using their own legislation in their own courts and achieve the usual nothing if it makes them feel better. Meanwhile anger and frustration builds in the population around the EU.
Revealed: four in five Oxford Covid jabs delivered to EU not yet used
Guardian finding comes as Angela Merkel talks of vaccine’s ‘acceptance problem’
www.theguardian.com
Figures for France in another report say only 273,000 out of 2 million supplied have been used. There is no point supplying vaccine if it isn't being used.
There is massive distrust of AZ vaccine in Europe, which current shambles has only served to exaggerate.
Dutch folk interviewed last night were openly saying they would not have AZ and would rather wait for Pfizer.??
EMA are deciding today but not making announcement until Thursday. In those 2 days UK will have vaccinated approaching another million people. This sums up prevalent attitude in EU . They are behaving as though they have all time in the world. They have not. They do not have the luxury to prevaricate, perhaps as Australia might be able to do with low numbers.. They are in the midst of a storm and sailing as tho on a sunny afternoons cruise. Its shocking. This delay, the attitude and knocking of AZ will cost lives.
And all to what purpose? 37 possible links to clots out of 17 million vaccinated does not justify this delay. So why have they delayed???
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Oxford AZ vaccine has been wasted and much partially used stock is being thrown away due to the negative press the Oxford vaccine is receiving. I don’t know how that can be reversed now.
AZ has to pull supply from the big EU nations now and start sending it across the globe where it will be administered as efficiently as possible and without political child play. The big EU nations have blown this as only they can.
I think we have to be careful not to over expect from the vaccines and over praise them. I warned about this a couple of weeks ago and have also pointed out that they are more effective as antigens than vaccines. All these people prematurely booking holidays and those crazy demonstrating women crowded together are doing so because they have the impression that the Covid danger is over now, thanks to too much publicity about how good the vaccines are and how well the innoculation program is progressing.
The truth is that the vaccines are nowhere good enough yet to stop Covid and we have the experts agreeing. By the Autumn we'll have most of the population vaccinated, yet Professor Chris Whitty and Professor Sir Ian Diamond have both now said they fully expect an Autumn surge in Covid cases. Clearly they will have to be vaccinated people catching it to create a surge and they will have to be catching it from others who have been vaccinated, showing the reduction in transmission from the vaccines is limited so shouldn't be relied upon. With limited evidence so far we have no idea if the vaccines cut transmission of new variants yet.
So with publicity it's time to stop the over expectation and excess praising and start concentrating first on the importance of everyone having the vaccines for the avoidance of the serious effects of Covid illness, second on the importance of maintaining precautions like social distancing for a long time yet.
Covid-19 is far from over.
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An interesting development
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First microwave-powered home boiler could help cut emissions ‘Drop-in’ replacement for gas boilers may help tackle challenge of cutting emissions from home heating
Assuming the power is from low emissions source of course!